KK, line check 3bet pot
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KK, line check 3bet pot
SB: $3.73
BB: $5.95
UTG: $3.52
HJ: $5
CO: $9.58 (Hero)
BN: $11.84
BB: $5.95
UTG: $3.52
HJ: $5
CO: $9.58 (Hero)
BN: $11.84
Preflop
($0.07)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
K
K
UTG raises to $0.15, HJ folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $0.30
UTG raises to $0.15, HJ folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $0.30
Preflop, I only 3b KK+, AK, A5s-A4s and occasional AJ/KQ combos (as bluff/blockers).
Flop
($0.97)
J
5
2
(2 Players)
UTG checks,
Hero bets $0.45,
UTG calls $0.45
Turn
($1.87)
J
5
2
3
(2 Players)
UTG checks,
Hero checks
River
($1.87)
J
5
2
3
4
(2 Players)
UTG bets $0.55
I think the best play here is to check back my entire range as I cant really have a blanced checking range AND cbetting range with my preflop range construction.
I dont think I have enough value to balance with my bluff if I cbet here so checking is a better strategy imo. If I checked back the flop, the plan would be to bet turn with AA, KK, AK, A5s, A4s (with draws) and AJ when vilain checks or to call with the same range when he bets.
What do you think about the way I played this hand ? And do you agree with the check back strategy ?
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We cant be checking back this turn esp. since we 3bet a UTG raise. DEPENDING ON VILLAIN he probably has an ace. I am sorry about the caps but the last two of your posts that ive read do not have any info on villain. You seem really concerned about your range, but there is another player in the hand right?
almost all my hands are vs unknown. I play rush poker and I often have very few hands on vilains. Also, I like to construct good default strategy vs unknown.
can you explain why we cant cb the flop ? I wrote my thought process up there.. if you disagree, I'd like to know where in my thoughts and why.
I didnt say anything about not cbetting flop. I agree with the flop cbet but checking back turn is not very good since any ace just doubled his outs. I would kind of expect him to have alot of AT-AQ (possibly) floating this flop.
imo good default strategy vs unknown at 5NL is ABC poker. I was just playing 4NL recently moved up to 10NL. I mean ya unknowns are generally tough to play against but I mean assuming a small sample of like 50-100 hands you can get decent reads on villains if they're fish (45/2/0) or nits/regs (20/10/5) and so on.
As I read below you want to "Learn to improve and not make money", its kind of contradictory since money is the way we keep score in poker. So ultimately you are choosing to play 5NL but you want to know what the right play is at 100NL? I dont think it works like AT ALL that since the player pool is so different.
I mean yeah it might be nice to lose a 100bb at 5NL and say "well based on the range you had on the BTN and my 3bet raising range in the BB you should only be flatting with xx-xx. But you should up with xx, totally outside of that range and that is why you got my stack. But you see if this was 100NL you would have been inside that range so I made the right play."
The bottom line is that depending on the player, and the way you have seen them play hands in the past, you start see how they are thinking. I just hate to see people level themselves.
So from NLHE theory and practice (im paraphrasing) if someone is thinking at level 0 (what do I have) and you are thinking on level 2 (what does he think that I think that he thinks I have) you really end up outsmarting yourself and costing yourself money.
So what kind of opponent you are playing against is really important in poker, so posting all of these hands vs "unknowns" is really frustrating to try and analyze since one play against one opponent might not be the right play vs another opponent.
are you on bovada or something?
FTP
I think the best play here is to check back my entire range as I cant really have a blanced checking range AND cbetting range with my preflop range construction.
You are over complicating the game for yourself. Its 5nl , throw balance and all other advanced concepts out the window until you reach at least 100nl.
The fact that you missed a very clear barrel for value here shows theres much greater leaks in your game and you would be much better off focusing on the fundamentals.
loll no offence, but this is the comment I dont want to have! I play 5nl because I want to learn the important concept without the risk of losing my money trying some move/strategy that Im not familiar with.
I know that we can play an exploitative strategy at 5nl and be winner, but I want TO LEARN and improve, not make "money" at 5nl..
All that being said, I'd like your opinion if it was like 50nl/100nl !
I think you should for sure barrel this turn...especially since you 3b A4 and A5s....you should probably just barrel your entire range...the only complete air you have is some KQo, the turn gives you some straights, and over pairs....bet, bet, bet.
I understand your point about wanting to learn good strategies but honestly this will be hard to do at 5nl.....I think $25nl is the first level where you can start applying some concepts and actual learn from them....having a balanced strategy is good but if your opponents are ridiculously imbalanced then it will be hard to know what is working and what isn't.....and honestly $25 and $50nl are not all that much different than $10nl.....yes it is a little tougher and a there is a slight increase in the quality of the reg pool.....my advice would be to build your roll as fast as possible and get to $25nl as fast as possible, not only will you make more money but you will actually learn quicker and develop faster as a player, especially w/ your desire to improve and learn.
edit: I could be wrong but I don't think you need to protect a check back range as much as you would a checking range OOP, because when you check back some of your air can turn into value on the next card, and villain won't know if that card helped you until after he has already acted. Your range is so narrow (and strong) being MP vs UTG that you should be betting at a very high frequency on all 3 streets most likely.
Your value hands should dictate your betting strategy, not your bluffs. Also if you're having trouble finding bluffs in your range most of the time that indicates a mistake in range construction on an earlier street. Here you should consider adding some suited connectors into your 3betting range preflop.
In this spot your range is ahead of villains. You should be betting very aggressively with a lot of your holdings.
Looks at all the hands you have got to see villans cards after show down. WHen they get to show down they mostly have some hand, at this level people are playing good hands yes, but also pretty hands and ATC that are suited.
Players are nothing thinking "I most fold here, I don't think hes bluffing" and all that they think "Ohhhh im nearly there lets call"
Bottom of the micros is ABC poker, with some hand reading thrown in. You cant be to fancy at these stakes as most players are just thinking about the cards and nothing more.
As said above, this level we bet for value. People will call all types of shit hoping to hit. When we face resistance, we have to stop and think
You need to protect your hand on the turn, and you now have more bluffs.
He has hands like QQ/AK/KJ etc. that are probably calling down, so just bet and shove most rivers.
ok thanks for the answers guys ! appreciate it !
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