KK facing heat in 4way flop
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KK facing heat in 4way flop
SB: $4.20
BB: $10
UTG: $21.87 (Hero)
HJ: $5.23
CO: $3.85
BN: $35.13
BB: $10
UTG: $21.87 (Hero)
HJ: $5.23
CO: $3.85
BN: $35.13
vilain is 25/13 over 130 hands. AF: 4,8.. No reads on him
Preflop
($0.15)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
K
K
Hero raises to $0.35, HJ folds, CO folds, BN calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25
Hero raises to $0.35, HJ folds, CO folds, BN calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25
Flop
($1.40)
7
5
8
(4 Players)
SB checks,
BB bets $1,
Hero raises to $2.50,
BN folds,
SB folds,
BB raises to $9.65, and is all in,
Hero calls $7.15
my flop raise was too small, I should probably make it like 4$. Since the board was drawy and it was 4ways, I decided to raise for value/protection, but I got 3bet otf.. Dont sure if vilain has combos draws or pair+draw often enough to play the hand like this..
What would you do ?
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"Dont sure if vilain has combos draws or pair+draw often enough to play the hand like this.. "
How does KK do vs those ^ and 2 pr + sets? not so good right?
A guy who's pretty good at poker, it escapes me who, once said "stop calling if all you beat is semi-bluffs" :)
yeah maybe you're right. That's why im asking!
how would you play the hand ? I mean, are you even raising this flop? I think there is enough value to raise and we need protection vs 3 players.. Once he raised, it only a pot odd question..
Getting protection on this board seems really expensive since many of the hands we're "protecting" from have 35+% equity against us and aren't folding. I don't think there's actually value in a raise either, I'd either call the lead and play some poker or honestly I don't think folding to the lead is that bad. He's betting $1 into $1.40 into three people while out of position and we get faced with that extremely strong bet with two people still to act behind us, we aren't getting exploited if we're folding 70-75% of our range here imo and on this board we'll have enough sets, flush draws, and OESDs which are probably a bit more appealing to call than this that we can consider folding, especially if we don't think he's making this play light (which I wouldn't expect him to be and you don't expect him to be).
The only disaster is if he has TT and the people behind us have nothing. OTOH there are plenty of miserable situations like us like he has 64 and we have only about tree-fiddy equity and then there are an extra two people behind us who can easily have a set or strong draw too.
Anyway, I'm not saying you have to fold especially IP with Kd, but I'm saying I'd consider folding before I considered raising.
Yeah I agree with Joinrbs. Raising is overplaying your hand. Remember there are still two live players behind you who can easily have a very strong hand here. Just call and see what happens on the turn.
in this spot i would call the flop and be prepared to fold turn if the board doens´t improve , cuz he is saying to you that he has a monster , just think of what he can call from the big blind pre flop and see how it fits on this flop . How you played , after your raise on the flop i would fold to his shove without thinking twice cuz this is how big pairs get cracked most of the times .
Call flop is our only option. You're setting up yourself to get owned, getting in 100 bigs on 7 8 5ss in a srp when someone leads 4 way is going to be losing you money. Good part of calling is that you also get a way if someone of the other two guys with a live range flopped a set and raise or w/e.
As played its a call. I would give him nutflush draws and 66/67s/56s as well as sets and 2 pairs and we have 37% equity vs that. If we just occasionally see 89 or an overplayed JJ then we're getting up to 40%+.
I agree with all the other comments though that flop is a call and closer to a fold than a raise.
Do you think its still a call HU ? Or is it better to raise for value and protection ?
Even HU, the hands in vilain's range that continue vs a raise have some good equity vs us and we are in very bad shape vs the top of his range..so overall, its still seem better to call and readjust OTT. I am wondering when its a good spot to raise our good overpair (KK) for value/protection and where a board is too wet to do it. I guess a suited connected 3cards flop like that is too heavy connected to raise but a T63tt would be better as there is less combo draws..
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