JTo squeeze from BB vs 2 overfolding villains
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JTo squeeze from BB vs 2 overfolding villains
Blinds: $0.01/$0.02 (6 Players)
BN: $2.17
SB: $1.75
BB: $2.24 (Hero)
UTG: $3.40
MP: $2.09
CO: $1.90
SB: $1.75
BB: $2.24 (Hero)
UTG: $3.40
MP: $2.09
CO: $1.90
BN is 12/11 with 79% Fold to 3bet and 82% Fold to Cbet.
BU is 21/11 with 73 Fold to 3bet and 57% Fold to Cbet.
BU is 21/11 with 73 Fold to 3bet and 57% Fold to Cbet.
Preflop
($0.03)
Hero is BB with
J
T
, , , , , ,
Flop
($0.43)
J
7
3
, ,
Turn
($0.99)
J
7
3
K
, ,
Hi all again. I'm not sure how I did on this one. Can you help? Is JTo too marginal to use as a squeeze?
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It's not even marginal, it's plain bad. What do you expect to happen? In almost no cases you will win the pot preflop and then you find yourself with an unsuited weak hand postflop, where even TP has a marginal kicker, is threatened by overcards on turn and river and has no SD-value whatsoever.
That is pure spew. Sorry. :)
Thanks for your help! So it’s bad even considering their high fold to 3bet % pre flop? If it were JTs would it be suitable for the squeeze range here?
Yeah, JTs is better, but even that hand would be better off to just call. Why wasting it? Use Ax to 3bet.
Given the high f3b-frequencies. Remember that you play against BOTH. Combined, their f3b (ignoring any other factors, like 3-way) is 0.79 x 0.73 = 0.57. So you are facing a flop in ~43%. Given your 3bet-size, your preflop play is round about break-even, so it gains you exactly nothing. The only advantage would be if you could make money postflop. But this hand pretty damn well demonstrates why that is an illusion, right? ;-)
your preflop assessment and choice to squeeze wider than normal is valid but not sound
fold to 3bet does not equate to fold to squeeze and 2 people with high fold to 3bet does not mean they fold wide vs squeeze - your assuming the premise that 2 high fold to 3bet players must high fold to squeeze as well, there is separate stat for that so look for it
the blunder is cbetting flop as played based on your assumption, once your squeeze gets called you KNOW their ranges are super strong so putting more money in makes no sense here so start by checking
again you might be tempted to look at their fold to cbet in isolation and try to stab here but then its the same error made preflop where your assumptions are without context - no need to base your lines by tunneling on hud stats, ranges first and foremost
when you see exploitable 3bet spots you dont actually need to go outside of your normal ranges like here with JTo - instead take those hands that are borderline call/3bet and go fully 3bet with them such as Axs, broadway, pairs, good suited connectors
What I’ve seen so far is that squeezing is getting called a lot. Especially if one person has called almost always the other guy also calls.
Also in the blinds this hand is really mweh and because it does look pretty you can get into lot of tough spots post flop.
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