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JJ squeezes then faces all in backraise.

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JJ squeezes then faces all in backraise.

BN: $200
SB: $168.20
BB: $275.22 (Hero)
UTG: $266.34
HJ: $236.25
CO: $230.55
Preflop ($3.00) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt J J
UTG raises to $4.40, HJ folds, CO folds, BN calls $4.40, SB folds, Hero raises to $20, UTG folds, BN raises to $200, and is all in
UTG is a weaktightish reg opening about 17% in this spot. BTN is unknown. Perhaps the squeeze is not that hot but I prefer squeezing most hands in this spot then calling. OOP to 2 players just sucks a lot and your range is fairly transparent. Its also zoom.

So do we call the shove? I ran sims vs a pile of ranges to see what our possibilities are. TT-KK,AK and we have like 51%, JJ-QQ and AK we have 46%, JJ+ and AK we have 36%. Perhaps its selective memory but i think I seen some pretty wtf shoves b4. However we need 44% so its definitely at least pretty close.

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mike 12 years, 2 months ago
with the 4B jam i am thinking we should discount AA/KK combos and in general i do see people show up with 77-TT type hands in this spot and sometimes AK and like you said the occasional random hand

so i would call and just take a note
vanity02 12 years, 2 months ago
I agree with discounting AA kk but only if the 4bet jam is from the relative middle position, in this case UTG vs absolute position.
james 12 years, 2 months ago
Don't squeeze in this spot if you're not comfortable getting 4 bet (either knowing that you're going to fold or go all in). Your hand plays well 3 ways so calling is certainly a viable option. As far as facing the 4 bet, I think a big part of this is going to be player pool dependent on whether you see jams from AQ type stuff or mostly slowplays. Calling the jam is slightly less appealing because it was minraised preflop so the size of the pot when it gets back to you is a decent amount smaller but his jam instead of making a smaller resqueeze weights his range more towards hands you have beat imo. Just some things to consider...
2blave 12 years, 2 months ago
This is a spot where regs ranges are going to vary quite a bit from player to player. I think that AA and KK can both be discounted. Some players try to add some balance to their coldcalling (or pf3betting) range, but they are in the minority. Villain's shove also makes KK+ a little less likely imo. I think AK is quite possible still though. The only thing that throws a wrench into this analysis is that it's 200 Zoom where I feel like any time someone goes allin they have the nuts. :D

Generally I would call expecting your worst case equity to be something like against KK-TT,AQs (43%), and improving from there. Once you develop deeper reads on the average zoom player you can change you plan.
mike 12 years, 2 months ago
James you make a good point about the MR i didn't consider. i do think people less likely to flat QQ+/AK facing a MR - do you guys agree?
2blave 12 years, 2 months ago
"Don't squeeze in this spot if you're not comfortable getting 4 bet (either knowing that you're going to fold or go all in)."

This point is repeated over and over on poker forums, and it's not helpful. The same thing could be said any time hero questions a decision. Generalising this statement quickly turns it into "Don't play poker if you don't already know the answer to every poker question." Is that the point you are trying to make?
james 12 years, 2 months ago
Ha, no I wouldn't say don't play poker if you don't know the answer to every question. Maybe my point wasn't clear but generally if we're expecting to have people respond by either 4 betting or folding we want to play a polarized squeezing range vs these opponents. If we're expecting them to 4 bet or fold then we should clearly be thinking ahead to what we want to do with a hand that's a close decision should we actually face that 4 bet. If you're not sure whether you can profitably get in a hand for stacks I'd advocate taking the more cautious (and also lower variance) route especially when playing ssnl. If you're expecting a lot of flat calls once you squeeze then I'd guess that the opponent won't be 4 betting much in general which makes it seem like getting in jacks would probably be a poor play. That is, unless they're just never folding to 3 bets and also 4 betting a bunch which would be a pretty rare opponent.

I guess the main point here is that if you're going to be playing a polarized range you should have an idea of which part of your polarized range a hand fits in with.
WM2K 12 years, 2 months ago
Ya I did think ahead to what I would do vs a 4 bet. I figured I can get away from JJ pretty easily if the weaktight UTG player 4 bet especially given positions. I liked the idea of squeezing still though as I get a shot at the $$ straight away preflop and if I do get called I ve likely cut their ranges up nicely and can play well postflop. Calling is obv ok but its always going to be pretty meh OOP to 2 players.

I wasnt totally planning for or expecting a 4 bet all in from btn though I ll admit. I had the same sort of feelings about his range as what has been discussed here. AA-KK discounted and anything from 77-QQ and AK makes it a call imo.

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