JJ on Axx board, 3bet pot
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JJ on Axx board, 3bet pot
SB: $7.88
BB: $5
UTG: $13.54
HJ: $6.12
CO: $1.90
BN: $9.53 (Hero)
BB: $5
UTG: $13.54
HJ: $6.12
CO: $1.90
BN: $9.53 (Hero)
no read at all. vilain is unknow..
Preflop
($0.07)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
J
J
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.12, SB folds, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.33
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.12, SB folds, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.33
Standard flat call or you prefere 4betting and GII vs an unknow in the blinds vs btn situation ?
My 3b calling range here is :
JJ-77, AQs-A6s, KQs-K8s, QJs-Q9s, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s
AQo-ATo, KQo
(I 4bet AA-QQ and AK for "value", A5s-A3s, J9s, T8s and KJo as "bluffs/blockers")
My 3b calling range here is :
JJ-77, AQs-A6s, KQs-K8s, QJs-Q9s, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s
AQo-ATo, KQo
(I 4bet AA-QQ and AK for "value", A5s-A3s, J9s, T8s and KJo as "bluffs/blockers")
Flop
($0.97)
5
A
4
(2 Players)
BB bets $0.65,
Hero calls $0.65
I will continue OTF with all my Ax hand, FDs, KK-77, and maybe some float (Kxdd, KQ ?). I think my entire continuation range is calling the flop cbet because having a raising range (lets say good Ax hands and FDs) will make my calling range too weak and unbalanced.. Agree ?
Turn
($2.27)
5
A
4
6
(2 Players)
BB checks,
Hero checks
Im not sure about the cb.. maybe it'd be better to bet for protection.. What range would you bet in this spot ?
River
($2.27)
5
A
4
6
8
(2 Players)
BB checks,
Hero checks
Once I cb the turn, I dont see any reason to bet the river. I dont think he'll fold better hands, even if the river complete the flushes..
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Is it good to 3b calling so wide range on NL5? How many value this range benefits to you?
But first question is what range you put him on preflop?
Lets assume its not 5nl but more 25nl. I want a default strategy, not an exploitative play vs 5nl player :) I drop down to 5nl (not my usual limit) because I took a poker break and wasnt really confident with all the new strategies and stuff.
To answer your question, I still think its +EV to call JJ btn vs bb 3bet, even at 5nl. I cant really know his range, but something like AA-TT maybe even wider, suited broadways, some offsuited broadway, maybe some Axs.. hard to say exactly tho.
Getting it in pre is +ev and vs aggressive opponents who can 5bet bluff I'd say more +ev than calling. Vs tighter players who will only shove for value and a tight range you will be behind when you call his 5bet so flatting is better imo.
Rest of the hand is pretty standard.
Why 4b J9s and T8s? You can find better blocker hands and these hands play much better as a call or fold depending on villain (calling more than folding, of course).
J9s and T8s play well postflop. You can hit big or hit nothing and fold. Alsom I didnt want to only have Ax or broadway hand in my range. So I decided to add those 2 suited gapers.
You played it fine.
What would be your turn betting range in this spot ?
"Lets assume its not 5nl but more 25nl."
Just assuming that I driving BMW m5 instead of Toyota Prius, does not give me enough reasons to speed up to 250 kmh, for example =). My question is not about JJ part of range, but about the rest like KTs, K9s, K8s, QTs, Q9s, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s. What playing plan about them do you have on same flop? I really interested with that.
I also think call JJ in this situation is +EV, and that you played this hand fine.
I think i'd bet a lot of FDs OTT. The fact that I have a lot of Ax in my range should incline vilain to fold c/f a lot OTT with hands like TT-KK imo. It is theoretically tho.. not 100% sure people will c/f turn here with KK - They could c/c another street, but im playing my range so I dont really mind. If he is c/c turn with 2nd pair, I guess im printing money by betting my Ax hand.
I think the plan is to bet turn with Ax and FD at least, cb river with med Ax hand and bet flushes when I hit. If he doesnt barel turn, I guess AK, AQ arent in his range anymore so I can valuebet wider. I think I can add PPs (like JJ) in my turn betting range when he checks and fire them on the river to make him fold QQ, KK and bad Ax hands.
Also, playing exploitive style vs 5nl player wont get me to improve as much as playing a good default strategy (the nearest from unexploitable strategy) that willl be very usefull at any limits :)
why's that ? I mean, there is not value in betting KK there imo. Even if he bets, what will he do OTR ? his continuation range is good TP, FD and ... KK ? He cant really include KK in his river 3barel range so when he checks river, he is face up..
I could be wrong, but it doesnt seem like a good strategy.
Honestly deciding to 4B/call JJ here pre-flop or flat it makes little difference vs. an unknown here at 5NL. Both moves will be +EV if you play decent post-flop and flatting allows us to get to showdown and pick up reads - which is what poker is all about. Later once your stats start to converge on villain and once you start to get a better picture of his 3-betting/stack off ranges then we can choose a better strategy.
I think you played the hand fine. Hard for worse hands to call you on this turn and this is a spot where we will sometimes get check-raised and not know what to do.
River is too thin to value bet and again we could get CR'ed off our hand. Villain's most likely range is complete give-ups like KJo, one pair hands that bet once for protection like 99-KK, weak Ax (which now might be two pair) and some sets which are checking because the straight/3-flush looks scary. Sure he might have some QQ/KK that we could have bluffed him into folding but compared to the rest of his range that's NOT folding, this is not a range we want to be betting into.
moushjak - "KK will make money on players that call 88-TT, JJ-QQ etc. preflop and missed the board =)"
This is assuming im calling 2barel with QQ-88 here.. not happening in my case so he is pretty much valuecutting himself by betting KK OTT. I also expect lots of vilain to shut down OTT because of the A.. they are more likely to c/c KK than bet it imo because people dont like to fold KK but are still afraid of the A on the board.
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