JJ in BB facing raise + 3bet
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JJ in BB facing raise + 3bet
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (5 Players)
SB: $8.28
BB: $16.03 (Hero)
UTG: $18.41
CO: $10.82
BN: $21.94
BB: $16.03 (Hero)
UTG: $18.41
CO: $10.82
BN: $21.94
Preflop
($0.15)
Hero is BB with
J
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I have no reads on villains. How should we play this spot with 99-TT, AQ, AJ, KQ? I find folding nitty, cold-calling quite uncomfortable, and cold 4bet/folding quite spewy.
I suppose TT-JJ are particularly tough, but AQ, AJ could be cold 4bet/folded
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Snowie pure 4bets AKo, ATs+, JJ+, some 0 ev low Ax (= to your KQs in terms of range here) and mixes call/4bet with TT.
You can simplify in practice with just a 4bet or fold range here. Also don't go too crazy with AJo/KQo unless you know opponents can fold and BTN 3bets wide and folds or else your 4betting way too many combos.
The real problem is: if we 4bet we usually get correct odds for calling off 100BB.
Usually we are forced to call vs QQ+/AK…so 4b/folding seems to be a decent mistake to me.
In solverland this usually is just a 4bet/gii spot.
But as people at 10NL are usually 3betting the BU still (a little) too less, i guess this might be a punt also.
So i would choose the call and rely on postflopskillsdvantage readless.
Its not a printingspot for sure and every little piece of info will help.
I guess im calling like 88-JJ
Calling: AQs/KQs
Mixing up 4bets/flats with AQo/AJo (4b/f in this case).
Agreed, in practice we fold all the 0ev 4bets and pure flat the TT. ATs-AQs can be flatted too since the difference in 4betting and flatting isnt too significant. Merging AQo/AJo/KQo as non polarized bluffs is viable too.
But with JJ+ AK, your missing out on too much ev if you dont 4bet imo. Vs a jam in practice you might have to exploit folding AKo/JJ which does feels super gross, but I'm not going play a significant lesser ev line in the previous street because it sucks if they jam. Discipline folding even though solver land says we have correct odds to call.
Dr. Maximilious Exploitopoulos MD
I guess 4b/gii is totally fine as well. But still: 4b/folding would only be a mathematical correct exploit if we expect Villains range to be even stronger than QQ+/AK…
And i expect this even at 10nl not to be the case CO vs BU in most pools
Interesting. I would have thought that playing 4bet/fold with AQ and JJ would be questionable with the logic being if you're going to fold after a jam you should just call and see.
On a side note, how do you find snowie? Haven't seen people speaking about it much - seems like everyone is using Pio these days.
snowie is very easy to setup and use so its good for donks like me, i cant figure out pio or gto+ to save my life
but its probably not as precise as the other solvers as it is clearly exploitable in some spots, it is definitely not a GTO solver, more like an AI trained bot
it also has hand important analysis to see how far you deviate from snowie, and its preflop ranges are very good for individual hand ev breakdowns
I would either fold or 4bet based on pool's tendencies.
BTN should 3bet around 12% here so if the pool tends to under3bet i would just fold pre everything but QQ+,AK
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