Is this UTG calling range vs BU 3bet range correct?
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Is this UTG calling range vs BU 3bet range correct?
This UTG calling vs BU 3 bet is suppose to be a solved range, but always thought hands like 88-22 and medium to low suited connected are folds. In this range, they're calling about 50% of the time. As well as hands like A9s/A5s, calling about 25% of the time.
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UTG vs 3 bet CO is calling 44-22 at 100% frequency. As well as 87s, 76s, 65s, and 54s when they aren't used as 4bets. And folding 99-88 at a 25% frequency .
Also AQo,KJs,K10s are being called at a frequency UTG vs CO, but folded 100% when not used as a 4bet UTG vs BU, which doesn't make sense.
Delete. IDK what i'm talking about :-(
These are not CO/BTN vs. UTG-open but UTG vs. CO/BTN-3bet. Still very strange charts. :|
These charts look good to me and mostly match my monker charts. How did you make them?
Obviously there are going to be some slight changes. For example, 3bet size.
As for the discrepancies from button to CO, do realize that Button has a decent flatting range. In ranges I have seen, button 3bets less than CO.
So changes like this sometimes makes the strategy weird.
I didn't solve/create them. A friend sent me them pre solved.
Good to see it matches other ranges. Yeah GTO ranges are weird . If I remember correctly MP has a wider 3 bet range vs UTG than BU or CO.
I like how the ranges could be easy to play . With a lot of hands , you either flop something or you don't such as low pocket pairs.
Though I think OP overall has a decent check raise strategy in a lot of spots , and low pocket pairs are included in it. And I haven't really done a lot of solver work to get a good sense of how the ranges plays, frequencies, and heuristics. So I have some work to do with these ranges
What stakes are you playing? I think this affects your strategy ALOT, and depending on your pool, this strategy could be getting torched.
Playing 200nl.
Ofcourse I'd adjust , if the player is a tight 3 bettor . But overall I think this GTO range should do well vs any normal 3bet range, given that its a solved range.
One thing I haven't worked on is how IP 3bettors strategy differs , due to my range having more pocket pairs and suited connectors than range that is mostly 99-QQ, AK,AQs,AJs, A10s, KQs, KJs, and some QJs.
Yeah I was just making sure you weren’t trying to use this kinda range at a 100nl or 50nl level haha
Even 200nl from my experience I think we can tighten up a bit, but I’m also an American so not sure if there are significant meta differences where you are playing. But overall seems okay, there are just a few things I’d completely omit, like flatting AQo to a 3b for example oop. Think our equity is just too poor and don’t think people 3b enough in this configuration.
I also just noticed I was looking at the second chart you posted and not the original. I like the original much more given it is tighter fwiw.
Like I said before, they look good to me. I only play 400NL to 1000NL, mine are slightly looser. But I have less rake than 200NL and I probably face more 3bets and slightly smaller 3bet sizes in position in my games. I give a thumbs up whoever did them and I question anyone who questions them. I have the monker ranges 50bb, 100bb, 200bb and also have the preflop bible by mmasherdog. So its not like I am making stuff up.
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