Is this check shove turn ok?

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Is this check shove turn ok?

Blinds: $0.01/$0.02 (6 Players) BN: $2.74
SB: $5.54 (Hero)
BB: $0.86
UTG: $1.17
MP: $5.10
CO: $1.14
Preflop ($0.03) Hero is SB with 5 A
3 folds, BN raises to $0.07, Hero raises to $0.20, BB folds, BN calls $0.13
Flop ($0.42) 9 3 J
Hero bets $0.13, BN calls $0.13
Turn ($0.68) 9 3 J 4
Hero checks, BN bets $0.32, Hero raises to $5.21 and is all in, BN calls $2.09 and is all in
An overcard + FD + gutshot SD seems enough for me to x-shove.
Please tell me if these types of moves are +EV or not

Hi guys,

Just wondering if this type of moves are ok or if I have a massive leak. I found that i play a lot of my draws like this one I posted.
Basically when I cbet the flop, don't improve on the turn and villain bets I x-shove to deny equity.

Is this a leak? How would you play this hand?

Thank you in advance.

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james 6 years, 10 months ago

It's a good way to punish opponents who bet turns too frequently when you give up the lead. If you have Holdem Manager or Pokertracker I'd just run a filter seeing how you're doing when you check raise in these kinds of spots. You might be getting more folds than you're remembering.

a_zuzolo 6 years, 10 months ago

I agree with both of the above comments. If you are having doubts about these types of spots, it would definitely be worth taking a look at all of your turn check raise spots, and see what your range and results look like.

I'm also curious about the flop sizing here (slightly less than 1/3 pot). Are you betting this size with all your hands (would you bet this size with QQ) on a somewhat draw-heavy flop? It's possible that you are betting smaller on the flop with your drawing hands? Just something to look out for.

hnsmht 6 years, 10 months ago

Just a question since we are in 3BP - if instead of J there was a K on the flop, how should this affect our xshove decision? Should we even take xshove line on a Kxx considering the Ks in BU range? Im guessing we have more fold equity (over cards) on a Jxx texture

a_zuzolo 6 years, 10 months ago

hmmm...I am definitely no expert when it comes to a close range analysis like that (perhaps others can weigh in)...

But I definitely don't think we should assume much more K's in our opponent's range vs J's in this spot. For a button open calling a (slightly) less than 3x 3Bet from the SB, my assumption is that any differnece between Kxs and Jxs would be pretty negligible.

In fact, if I had to guess, I would think there'd be slightly MORE Jx in his range...Simply because most KK and a decent amount of AK will 4Bet. And it may even be possible that hands like KTo or K9o will fold, but JTo and J9o may call (definitely not sure about that part).

But in short: I doubt he has much more Kx vs Jx, if at all, and it is possible he has more Jx, imo.

hnsmht 6 years, 10 months ago

Good point sir, my assumption above was that BU in this spot will call 3B with a more linear range, less polarized range

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