Is my shove on the flop in that spot wrong guys?
Posted by Redeth
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Redeth
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Is my shove on the flop in that spot wrong guys?
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (4 Players)
SB: $10.20
BB: $4.36
CO: $10.00
BN: $11.46 (Hero)
BB: $4.36
CO: $10.00
BN: $11.46 (Hero)
CO is a guy who i dont have many hands on him. Up to the day of the hand i had 77 hands and he plays 23/16. against 3-bet he has folded 2/5 times and he has called 2/5 as well.
Preflop
($0.15)
Hero is BN with
Q
Q
, , ,
Flop
($1.35)
7
4
T
, , , ,
Turn
($21.61)
7
4
T
A
River
($21.61)
7
4
T
A
T
Final Pot
CO
wins and shows a full house, Fours full of Tens.
BN lost and shows two pair, Queens and Tens.
CO wins $19.24
Rake is $0.91
BN lost and shows two pair, Queens and Tens.
CO wins $19.24
Rake is $0.91
Is it just a cooler and should i just move on? The thing is that my coach told me on a 3-bet pot when i have overpair and my c-bets gets raised i should shove but im not sure. Any thoughts? :)
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What your coach means, is that if you fold a over pair on the flop when get raised, then you are folding almost everything. This is exploitable. If villain notice this, he can raise you all day.
It's different from what your coach said.
Folding an overpair in a 3bpot is harder than single raised pot, due to SPR.
yes thats what my coach said about stack to pot ratio. but he also told me for 100 bbs effective to go all in with overpair on 3-bet pots being the aggressor.
3bet bigger vs min raises... 7-8bb
This flop is better for villains range than yours (he has way more set and 2pr combos) and SPR is pretty high on the flop.
I don't think you have to go broke here. I fold to the raise and if in the future you find him to be aggressive in these spots you can start adjusting.
u reckon is better to 3-bet always pot as standard. cause iv heard many coaches say that in position u can 3-bet 3 times the open and pot 3-bet from the blinds
i mean he has some bluffs as well like fd and maybe open-ender but i dont know whether he would raise the c-bet with those and if he raises jacks as well then its 50-50 equity wise
cb/calling in this spot is much better than shoving, especially when you are IP.
Anyway cb/folding in 3b pot on NL10 isn't a mistake in some spots (probably there are only few players who might notice that you fold too much), so dont think like a nonbrainer player "OP - 3B POT - SHOVE" ;)
Hey thanks for ur info. You are right i shouldnt be thinking robotic c-bet get it in in 3b pot. maybe against a loose player or a fish or shortstack :D . Would u say as a rule of thumb to give credits to opponents when i see them doing something for the first time? like him (first time he raised c-bet on 3-bet pot), i shouldnt be thinking like that he is going to raise jacks or a-10 or two napkins ?
Agreed, what do you plan on a blank turn? I don't know whether i can find a fold OTT, probably I do OTR since I think regs have many bluffs
Obv it depends on the player, vs a loose fish I'm stacking off 100% of the times, he could overplay any hand that we beat. Against a reg, which probably is on the tight side, I'm calling flop and see how he proceed on the turn
WP. He can have a lot of draws here, might raise AT or JJ for value sometimes.
I advocated to call but know I see the stake is 10 NL, so people in general could overvalue their hand, making a shove profitable. Anyway since we have a very strong hand GII won't be bad.
I'm a beginner so I'm glad anyone calling me out
Hero has stronger range preflop sure, but Villain doesn't raise 100% of his preflop range.
While the coach might be right, take a line as a recipe isn't a good idea, because we are talking about a recipe. You have an overpair on a 3BP -> Jam.
This couldn't be wrong, but imo, a more thinking should be involved
his preflop stats could hint at passiveness,and depending on how passive he is this could actually be a fold, with the small sample I would probably lean toward a call. Keep my positional advantage intact, and would be folding on any over/connecting cards.
Depending on three bet range, IP may not even have the EQ advantage here. I imagine in most scenarios it is pretty darn close.
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