This was an interesting hand i noticed while playing a 2/4 dollar NLH live cash game on christmas eve. The two players that encountered each other had similar stack sizes of about $500 each, give and take several dollars. The table was moderately loose with some solid players. It was folded to the guy in mid position who raised it to $15. It was then folded around to me on the small blind which I also folded. The only remaining guy was the big blind who min raised it to $30. This guy had shown so loose holdings previously. The guy back in mid position called the extra $15. The flop came A 5 3 rainbow. The big blind guy half bet the pot and the mid position guy called. The turn was a 4 and the big blind guy barreled again for half the pot and the mid position guy again called. The river came a 7 and there was no possible flushes. The final board read A 5 3 4 7. There was approximately $250 in the pot now. Both players still had stacks in the range of $350-$400 left. The guy in the big blind took about 20 seconds then pushed allin, basically a massive over bet. The guy in mid position also took his time and spent well over a minute. Then finally called. The who pushed allin in the big blind revealed pocket 22s for a A-5 straight. The mid position guy looked puzzled then left the table after he got stacked. The big blind guy cheekily said merry christmas just to shed the extra pain. However, the question is what hand did the other guy have when he made the massive call because he mucked his hand and didn't show it. What do you guys think??
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zilla k12 years, 3 months agoThere are just so many factors to consider here. We don't know how this guy (mid-position) plays. Is he loose or tight, etc? Will he open up his pre-flop calling range when he has positional advantage especially against a loose player? Does he get himself sucked into calling 3 streets with air? Does he have a history with the BB? Is he simply a weak player? We can never know for sure what he had, but we can try to recreate a range for mid-position guy just for fun:) A half-pot call would only make sense if he was on a draw, but based on the pre-flop action and call post flop on a pretty dry board, this seems unlikely (unless he is calling a 3-bet with 46s??) I'm going to go ahead and take the draw off the table here.
So, if he wasn't on a draw, he may have been playing scared with a big A with a questionable kicker like a J....which is why he didn't raise the flop bet or he hit a set he was trying to slow play. Or maybe he thought his strong A was good against his opponents wide range of starting hands and he didn't want to raise and scare him away. Either way, his error was that he only called the BB flop bet, instead of re-raising the BB. He should have re-raised or folded on the flop, period. Calling is a weak play most of the time.
The most likely scenario, is mid-position did have a strong hand, but he allowed his opponent to get there without making him pay to draw out on him. He lost the hand because he misplayed it.
iMRUSh12 years, 2 months agoHi guyz! Sry for my english is preety weak. I think with a looser player on the blinds, mp could open a wider range preflop, and this minr call a lot ip except value 3b-s. I think when he tank and call the river bet, the bottom of his range is 45s maybe A5s A3s, i think one not too good player is feel, and a good player is know he couldn't good enough time to make this call with a TP, but my opinion a two pair type hand is a fold too. And a huge overbet is still more often going for value from a weak player who not attend to enough, stack sizes, bet/pot ratio and planning ahead as like a stonecold bluff, not even if mp range look maybe strong, but not enough strong to make this call. So mp had more often a set in my opinion. 33 is not to want raise on flop to keep bb's range wider, and the turn is harder to value raise too but on the river is still kind of bottom the mp's calling range, the bottom of the sets. Some psychological reasons he can call two streets, wit a 77 and when he hit the river he's not fold anymore, and this is more like a top of his river calling range so he can call. But most like take this line with a 44 maybe. Flop second pair+GS, turn set, river a hard call. Anything else is possible, but most something like this, i think. GL
Tam Tran
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We can never know for sure what he had, but we can try to recreate a range for mid-position guy just for fun:)
A half-pot call would only make sense if he was on a draw, but based on the pre-flop action and call post flop on a pretty dry board, this seems unlikely (unless he is calling a 3-bet with 46s??) I'm going to go ahead and take the draw off the table here.
So, if he wasn't on a draw, he may have been playing scared with a big A with a questionable kicker like a J....which is why he didn't raise the flop bet or he hit a set he was trying to slow play. Or maybe he thought his strong A was good against his opponents wide range of starting hands and he didn't want to raise and scare him away. Either way, his error was that he only called the BB flop bet, instead of re-raising the BB. He should have re-raised or folded on the flop, period. Calling is a weak play most of the time.
The most likely scenario, is mid-position did have a strong hand, but he allowed his opponent to get there without making him pay to draw out on him. He lost the hand because he misplayed it.
sad but true.
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