In 2021 what is a realistic win rate for zoom 10nl, 25nl and 50nl?
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In 2021 what is a realistic win rate for zoom 10nl, 25nl and 50nl?
Curious as to what is a reasonable expectation and i know anything above 1bb/100 is better than 90% of players. I'm interested in what someone that was getting in 45-90k hands with a 50/50 play/study routine that was learning in a structured logical manner could expect to get per 100bb in this day and age?
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Was playing around 100k hands at NL25 with a winrate of 5,7bb/100.
I guess something between 4 and 8 is pretty reasonable.
Maybe some crushers get to 10-12. But i guess thats somewhat rare.
Not enough sample for NL50 so far…
Was your results from zoom?
Darn91
That was mainly regtables. Overread this in your title; sry.
Yeah I agree my winrates have also been located somewhere between 4bb-9bb/100 at NL2z-NL10z. Keep in mind that winrates are generally a bit lower at Zoom tables (no table and seat selection, less targeting of weaker players etc.) That doesn't mean you are worse off playing Zoom of course - it's absolutely great to drill the fundamemtals and get your GTO approximation down.
In general I think 2bb/100 is good, 4-8bb/100 is very good, and everything above is crushing and probably based on a small saple size and hard to sustain.
At 10NL, a 200bb pot is getting raked for @ 10bb.
At 25NL, a 200bb pot is getting raked for @ 8bb.
At 50NL, a 200bb pot is getting raked for @ 6bb.
This is site dependent (that is how it works on Ignition).
So, essentially, if you are a breakeven/slightly winning/slightly losing player, you are beating the games and losing to rake. With a slight increase in skill, combined with the 2bb gain we get from less rake, I would start shot taking 25NL if you are in 10NL. If you are less risk averse and have the funds, take the shots and don't get discouraged, most everyone has had to re-deposit at some point in their career. If you are less comfortable taking risks and/or don't have the funds, keep shot taking and just move back down and grind it up and step up the study.
check the rake at your site and stake and compare it to industry standard at pokerstars
some of these sites have abysmal rake at microstakes adding up to 5%+ when normal rake is <=5%, and you need to avoid these stakes if possible
generally around the 25-50nl level is when the rake becomes bearable around 5% and this is where you can play and gauge an accurate winrate
Curious though if anyone has any actual results while playing on zoom tables over solid sample sizes. The only things I’ve come across are hypotheticals or are on regular tables.
The thing is that most thinking people won't get to "solid sample sizes" for any limit on the micros I guess. Like I said, I personally had winrates between 4bb-9bb/100 at NL2z-NL10z but I didn't play any limit for any more than 40k hands.
In today's environments, you move up stakes through studying and you essentially just play a little "on the side". Once you have some emprirical indication that you are beating a limit and you see enough mistakes being made, you move up. There is no instrinsic value in finding out your true winrate at NL10z when the cost is to play 100k hands there. Also, there is no incentive whatsoever to build a bankroll on the micros, it's just raked too heavily. Just keep studying and leave each limit as quickly as possible until you reach a limit where the money does matter to you. I'm playing NL25z currently and I'm still in the mindset of just trying to leave this limit as quickly as possible and I know I'll never find out my true winrate there. However, it's not a quantity that is of any interest.
Over what amount of hands would you say is enough of a sample to consider shot taking the next limit?
My personal "rule" is playing around 30k hands on a limit. I move up when I have a winrate of at least 2bb/100. When I don't achieve this, I increase the sample size in 10k hands increments and re-evaluate, always only based on the last 30k hands (since I'm studying consistenly and hands further past might not be representative of my play anymore).
Obviously this approach might lead you to move up "too early" sometimes. If that happens, there is no shame in moving down again.
Think I may try something similar. Will give myself a 10 buy in shot limit if I’m winning by at least 2bb/100.
Hello every1, I just moved from reg tables NL10 to Zoom. My win rate 100k hands regular tabs was 6bb/100. At this moment 45k hands playing Zoom10 3/4 tables simultaniously with 3.27Evbb/100 and know what? I am not happy at all with this results, I think i have the quality to achieve 5bb/100 +- Just had some tilting problem along the way that costed me some winrate.
Some thoughts about zoom vs reg tables Villains:
- A lot of NITS;
- Underbluff;
- Very poor blind defence
Best luck m8!!
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