How to react to opponents who cbet at a high frequency with large sizing
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How to react to opponents who cbet at a high frequency with large sizing
At my stakes (10NL), I see a few regs who open from the CO/BU a lot and when I defend my BB I see them regularly cbet a large amount at a large frequency, the sizing makes my X/R very hard and if I call I almost get double-barreled.
How should I think about reacting to this line?
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Attack their ranges in other lines, if they CB too much but x/r isn't profitable (or any more so than usual) it means that they have expanded their CB range with both more value and bluffs so you're not going to see more EV in this specific line. The correct approach is to get very aggressive when they miss CB or they check back the turn because their ranges in these lines will be weaker than they should be so you can go for very thin value and aggressively with bluffs also. This doesn't mean you stop x/r because it's important to maintain aggression here to get value with your premium hands but maybe play a slightly more polar range than you would usually.
Could you elaborate plz why we should be X/raising more polar when Villain bets a whide range and floats X/R a lot? Feels likeI want to merge my range more (going for thiner) value and esp want to stop X/R with my weaker holdings that have to rely on BDequity. What do i miss here?
When they're betting big and often it's just going to be lots of top pair and high equity draws, there's not going to be too much overcards, backdoors or the more merged middle/bottom pair stuff so the more merged x/r like middle pair top kicker or with some backdoors that we sometimes try to showdown or sometimes keep on barrelling isn't going to be worth putting in because it just doesn't do well versus that range.
You want to be including these hands a lot when someone is playing too high a betting frequency but with a less polarised range so that you can deny equity from stuff like overcards or get value from dominated middle/bottom pairs.
In terms of whether to draw bluffs from backdoor equity vs direct equity I think that reducing the amount that we x/r stuff that is reliant on immediate flop folds to profit is fairly reasonable because you're going to get floated a lot by the range I described on the flop but it can still be nice to have some board coverage with bluffs/value bets over lots of runouts and not just when the obvious draws bink. Also a lot of the time when you x/r into this range you're going to want to have a high turn x freq and x/f the turn with a lot of strong draws is something that you want to avoid if possible.
You can try donking as an exploitative counterplay vs someone who is cbetting too frequently with only top pair + draws. When the turn bricks you should put pressure on this range and don't let them see a free card. People who play their ranges like you describe dont have balanced defending ranges vs leads. I use to play like that and the players that own me the hardest were the aggressive fish that donk hard after check calling.
this is terrible advice. If someone is overcbetting you have less motivation to start donking. Donk betting would actually be a conter vs someone under c betting
You are terrible advice, you can donk counter vs anyone as most people don't know how to defend against donking. Donking vs someone who doesnt cbet and fold when missed, and donking vs someone who cbets frequently but folds to donk vs miss is the same exploitative play. Donking is a move that can exploit ppl who arent use to it and don't know how proper defense frequencies, regardless of if someone cbetting frequency.
Always think about what really happens - and why it deviates from "the norm". If somebody cbets "too often", it means, he is most likely overbluffing. Reason being that he cannot expand his valuerange at will. We hit the board ~30% and that includes anything, from strong hands down to bottom pair no kicker. A cbet frequency of - say - 75% means he is betting any made hand and twice as many bluffs. It's quite difficult to defend such a range against x/r.
Second thing is betsize. A big betsize means that you got to defend less. Which again means, his own range gets weaker. Punish him for x/c twice and then bet strong on the river. Alternatively x/c, x/r, shove. Will beat the shit out of him. :-)
Third thing is tighten up preflop! It sounds counterintuitive, as it seems as if we're not defending enough, but the opposite is the case! Your EV postflop increases (due to your opponents suboptimal play) which means, your defends earn more money. That money can be "invested" in less defends.
Hey BigFiszh Am I unerstanding this correct again a very aggs. Opp who C-bet too much and use a big sizing 1) We can check call flop, check call turn and bet big on River?
2) We can check call flop and check rasin Turn really biig
Does this sound right sir?
Not sure what you mean. Obviously it's depending on board structure and dynamics and such. It's not a cooking recipe, it's a strategic approach.
Are you referring to all board textures and what kind of sizings (75%?)? I'll try and run a subset of flops and see what I find in PIO for you.
My instincts would be, if they're cbetting big with a high frequency, we can call down wider. This does feel a bit like selective memory which has happened on the odd occasion though, do you have any hand histories or stats on regs to back these thoughts up?
If they are cbetting more often than they should you adjust by lowering your treshold hand for playing for stacks in the cbet, XR line. This is because IP has to call down weaker hands to prevent you from making money by XR any 2. This wouldnt be the case if they cbetted a stronger more optimal range.
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