How to play flop range, jam turn?
Posted by Chael Sonnen
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Chael Sonnen
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How to play flop range, jam turn?
BN: $649.89
SB: $1352.92 (Hero)
BB: $494.44
UTG: $1007.59
HJ: $1525.92
CO: $568.03
SB: $1352.92 (Hero)
BB: $494.44
UTG: $1007.59
HJ: $1525.92
CO: $568.03
Villian is a very aggressive reg
Preflop
($7.50)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
A
T
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $10, Hero raises to $40, BB folds, BN calls $30
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $10, Hero raises to $40, BB folds, BN calls $30
Flop
($87.50)
J
8
Q
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN bets $42.74,
Hero calls $42.74
Should I check my whole range here? Maybe check like 80% of the time.
I think this is a great hand to be tricky with, thought maybe I should only do it with AdT.
I think this is a great hand to be tricky with, thought maybe I should only do it with AdT.
Turn
($172.98)
J
8
Q
8
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN bets $162.50,
Hero raises to $798.05
Contemplated a 1/4 pot lead because I have lots of 98s/T8s etc., but I decided not to because the nuts changes on so many rivers (sauce advice ftw).
She's almost never got an 8, but I do. There aren't many Qx in her range either I think, because she has to check back so much to balance all the marginals.
So many draws and no boats and few Qx (might even fold to a jam), so this seems like a +EV jam, right?
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Meh, this is soooooooooo much dependent on his actual ranges, is he "just" aggressive - or is he bad? If he´s aggressive - but halfway balanced, your shove on the turn should be heavily -EV. If he´s "blindly" barreling, you likely need him to fold AQ vs. your shove, then you show a profit (according to CREV :->).
She has to fold so many hands here. Bare hearts, diamonds, KT, maybe some queens etc. I'm still ahead if she has a combo draw, btw. And against AQ, I'm doing okay.
combined with T9 and AQ blockers, this has to be a decent play, right?
Also, do you think I should check the flop with most of my range?
(S)he only has to fold hands that he barreled initially, that was what I meant, if he / she elected to xb most of the draws to avoid getting shoved off the equity, things significantly change. That´s why I said, it´s so player-dependent.
"And against AQ, I'm doing okay."
What does that mean? 18% equity? As mentioned, I´m aware of the fact that you´re ahead of combo-draws, but I doubt they call, so I´d expect the worst hand to be AQ - and against that range you have like 15% equity, why I meant it really depends a ton on how much fold equity you have, but exactly that is hard to determine as long as we don´t know more about Villain´s range construction. If we assume that you have 20% equity against the stack-off-range, you need roughly 50% fold equity for being break-even.
And yeah, I agree with checking the flop with almost your entire range.
On my phone do haven't really looked at software, but isn't your range stronger than your opponents? And if so, are you checking to exploit his aggressive nature?
I like this hand as part of our check-raiding range. It has good equity against his calling range and helps us improve on non flush turns. We probably hurt the opportunity if making our Ace a clean out but I still prefer a check raise with this hand and check-call with AK.
why would u want any hand at all to cr turn?
xc range seems like the way to go? vs this sizing even more...?
and on a side note it will also make u very exploitable at rivers
You might be kidding yourself that you have an 8, probably only 8hxh wants to CC the flop, and if you're honest with yourself you're likely just betting flop. I do think CC flop is correct though, and at a stretch I don't mind the CRAI turn.
edit: though I kinda like CC again better. I don't think Qx is folding turn (assuming it's the Russian chick I think it is).
I currently think flatting pre works better but that's another discussion. As played you may be overestimating the frequency villain bets with FDs on this turn. In reality she has a bunch of aq, kq, qjs, t9s, none of which fold. Also bc of her stack she doesn't have a ton of light peels pre. I think you just need to fold turn.
There's fewer draws in your opponent's range than you think. Try to name them. When you have Td you block a bunch of possible ones.
Also at this stack depth, I think this sizing is begging for you to crai this turn. If villain has a draw, he's likely betting smaller because he doesn't want to have to bet/call. Sizing the turn smaller doesn't put him in that situation as you will c/c your whole range at that point. I think you could be drawing dead here.
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