How to get the most out of aggregate GTO reports
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How to get the most out of aggregate GTO reports
Hi guys, I got GTO wizard for a month to try it out and to kickstart my GTO learning and I am trying to build some basic heuristics espically when it comes to cbetting the flop. What boards should I be looking at for instance BU vs BB SRP? I wanna learn when to cbet range and when to be polar. Also are their any other GTO heuristics that are good to know as a starter when learning about GTO?
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This is like full 90 min coaching session size question. I think this is like what Qing Yang specialize at. There are probably some videos on it somewhere too.
Ah ok, I just hear streamers snd other saying ”this is a polar board” or ”this board favours our range” which baseline I understand our betting range has more highcards than a calling range OOP, but I am looking for a deeper explaination but I guess then it would be a 1-to-1 session to go through it. Ok thank you!
Does GTO Wizard allow you to see the ev of each individual and show the betting frequency of your entire range as the pfr? Like for example, you can see the EV of betting AK on Axx as UTG raiser as oppose to checking. Or showing your UTG should bet X percentage of the time on that board and check Y percentage of the time. If you can get this information from wizard this is all you need for learning. You just have to put in the time to dig through to get deeper explanation and you will come up with your own heuristics.
Dr. Maximilious Exploitopoulos MD
These infos are all available in wizard. They are also visible in the training mode.
Maybe ask in GTO wizard discord. It's 50x more active than this subforum and it's full of people who think it's THE way to study poker.
Do you have a solver like GTO+ or PIO to go along with Wizard? A good way to learn is to run the solve in your own solver with similar parameters and then compare the two (perfect play vs reality play).
Wizard is going to play perfectly where in reality, the opposite is true. You need to be able to lock the node and determine what is happening in reality.
There are interesting things you can find and I certainly am not downing Wizard. A simple way thing to do is:
1) Run an aggregation report to establish how often BB is "allowed" to check/fold vs a BTN c bet.
2) Jot this number down.
3) Compare the aggregate GTO fold to c bet % to your own c bet success in this node (BTN vs BB SRP).
4) Say your Wizard report is folding 38% in aggregate across all of the flops. You then go to your database and see that your c bets are having a success (in aggregate again in this dynamic) of 50%. That is a big big difference. They are overfolding. What part of their range is the overfold coming from??
5) You would then go into PIO and run a sim similar to Wizard. You don't need 8 bet sizes per street, use a few or choose one size based on the typical sizing being used by the pool of players.
6) Your sim should have very similar numbers to what you get in Wizard.
7) You would then lock the node and have them folding more often (what is going on in reality). Now you have something.
8) Next, I would play a sample and experiment. Say you are using 50% sizing. Size down to 40% and see what happens to their fold percentage. Do they realize they are getting exploited and adjust? Or, my preference is to experiment with bigger sizing than what people are used to. Check the bigger size in Wizard, run a sim with a bigger c bet size and start the process over again.
Great post. As someone who hasn't used a solver yet myself, would you go so far as to suggest that PIO makes Wizard redundant? I guess I'm wondering if it's worth paying for Wizard when a few months of Wizard premium would cost around the same as just buying PIO and having lifetime access to it.
HodorIsKing
Dont forget how long it takes pio to solve certain spots at several stackdepths.
I used GTO+ before and totally moved to wizard. To have every spot solved and accessible in seconds is awesome and will be kind of impossible to do on your own with pio.
On the other hand: Setting parameters and build ranges for a solver is a great exercise as well and will improve your ability to visualize ranges in real time a lot.
So i would go with hawks and say that using both is great.
Decision about how much $ to invest in study tools is a bit up to you. Its kind of tough to grind in the fee for wizard by playing the micros.
But if you love studying an can afford the costs, it can still be worth it.
HodorIsKing I think the concept of Wizard is great. Having so many solutions at your fingertips that pop up in seconds is great. IMO the drawback to it is that the ranges are static and there is no node locking available. PIO can get expensive. I have never used GTO+ but I assume it will do the same things as PIO. I prefer PIO's interface to GTO+.
I usually have one instance of PIO going with a sim that I don't adjust or play with (It would be comparable to a Wizard Solution). Then I open another instance of PIO, adjust the ranges (adding in some combos or subtracting combos from the ranges) and then making node locks or subtree configurations (adding in more bet sizes on the turn/river) and compare the two side by side.
It can be very eye opening how things change from slight changes to how realistic opponents typically approach a spot.
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