How to construct value/bluff ratios according to our bet sizings?
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How to construct value/bluff ratios according to our bet sizings?
Recently I have made an attempt to play my range more precisely particulary on flop/turn by divinding parts of my range into value/bluff. I have came across a concept from Mathew Jandas book "Applications of No-Limit Hold em" where he advises for the following ratios:
2 to 1 bluffs to value on the flop
1 to 1 bluff to value on the turn
1 to 2 bluff to value on the river
The problem I see here is that for example if we bluff on the turn with AQo on board 2332r we can still hit our A/Q and it will most often be good but constructing our range using the ratios above seamingly assumes that our "bluffs portion" has no equity, correct me if im wrong please. So can someone please explain to me how do you go about constructing balanced ranges for each street. To make things easier I will give an hand example:
We open this range UTG: 55+, ATs+, A5s-A2s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo+, KQo
Villain calls with this range on the Button: TT-44, AQs-ATs, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AQo, KQo
Flop comes T23r, turn comes 5r and lets say we want to bet flop 33% and turn 70%. How would we construct a balanced strategy?
I apologize if I am asking for too much work with these ranges, any advice on learning material where I can study these concepts is much appreciated too.
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The problem with dividing our range into value and bluffs on the flop and on the turn is that our value hands don't have 100% equity and our bluffs don't have 0% equity. In another words, things are too grey rather than black and white for a clear distinction between value and bluff.
This used to be a decent heuristic for having a somewhat balanced range over multiple streets, but it's technically not quite accurate. So yeah, what you said about AQ having equity on 3322 board is correct and makes simple formulas of value and bluff not accurate.
That leaves us with a somewhat unsatisfying answer to your question: it's too complicated for any simple formula. If you're interested in solving hands theoretically, solvers such as PIOsolver are your best choice. But be careful, even with solvers, implementing a perfect, theoretically valid strategy is damn near impossible, so you better come up with useful heuristics and simple enough strategies to implement, rather than trying to copy a perfect solution.
... when we talk about potsized bets. :)
Samu Patronen Covered this very well.
What are you using to study range vs range interaction? Do you have PIO or GTO+? Equilab Pro? Poker Ranger?
In your above example, plotting ranges of UTG Open Range vs BTN Call Range, you are going to have a range advantage preflop.
I anticipate that your range advantage is going to be nullified and equities are going to run close on this particular board.
So, to study this, without something like PIO, I would input the ranges in a equity calculator that will show board hits for both players (Equilab Pro or Poker Ranger). Put in the flop and start putting down turns randomly and check to see how the equities shift. You will have Ax advantage, so A turns are going to be good for your range for example. This study style will be most effective if you list out all possible turns and somehow mark which turns are good for you range and which turns are good for BTN range before you just start clicking through them.
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