Help with MDF calculations
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Help with MDF calculations
Can someone tell me where I went wrong with my MDF calculations? They don’t seem to be right. I apologise if it’s obvious, I’m quite new to this. I used excel
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You've solved for the folding frequency. 1/(1+b) is 1-a which is the mdf you're after. This could also be written as 1-b/(1+b). You've entered a weird combination of the two.
You've enter 1-(1-a)=1-1+a=a=folding frequency
Ah, of course. Thanks heaps :)
Follow up question, are these numbers exact when playing real poker?
No, in real poker there's card removal effects. If your opponent chooses good bluffs then you won't defend enough when you go by this frequency as their bluffs block your value hands that call
It's a good rough estimate though
Ok, that makes sense. Thanks heaps :)
One thing to add is MDF is best applied to the river. On other streets (particularly the flop) the correct defending frequency can vary a fair amount depending on who the board is better for
It's fairly accurate on a bunch of flops though
Ok, I've got a lot of study to do it looks like
Good luck with it all ��
I understand the formula but don't understand how it's derived. It doesn't make intuitive sense to me
So this is calculated for the nuts/air vs bluff catcher game. It comes from the fact that in constant sum 2 player games (such as poker), at Nash Equilibrium neither player can unilaterally increase their EV. We know that when player betting holds air they will bluff sometimes and not bluff other times. Therefor if we are at Nash Equilibrium then the EV of both these lines must be the same. The EV of checking is 0 (as when you check back air you lose), therefore the EV of betting must also be 0.
EV of bluffing = (pot size)(1-calling frequency)-(bet size)(calling frequency)
0=P(1-C)-BC
0=P-PC-BC
PC+BC=P
(P+B)C=P
C=P/(P+B)=1-B/(P+B)
There are alternative ways of thinking about it when you’re playing though. You could also look at the odds they’re getting on their bet. When your opponent bets half pot, the pot it twice their bet so they’re getting 2:1 on a bluff. Hence you need to call 2 times for every time you fold.
And you could do a similar thing when your betting as well. If you bet half pot then your opponent is getting 3:1 so you need to bluff once for every 3 value bets
The odds method is a much easier way to look at it. Thanks dude
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