Fold to 3bet stat in high vs low/no rake games
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Fold to 3bet stat in high vs low/no rake games
Hey guys, I am curious--how should our fold to 3bet stat change with higher rake, given that most players are playing 3bet or fold from most positions? Obv (i think?) our 4bet stat should be higher to capitalize on more merged 3bet ranges and to avoid rake, but how does our cold call stat change, given we pay more rake, but are up against wider ranges? It obv goes down, but I'm wondering at what percentage and how overall fold to 4bet stat changes given these variables (higher rake but wider 3bet ranges). I've been using preflop guru ranges and tailoring them a bit to my games' rake structure (Ignition and Bros 1/2 and 2/4+ respectively--posted in low stakes bc these games play similar to low stakes or more likely high micros on stars)--so opening a lot more suited kings which block 3betting hands and playing suited connectors at lower frqs (these hands play well against a 3bet generally but it sucks that we have to pay high rake when we call the 3bet). 4betting hands like AJo/AQo at higher frqs (for instance, CO vs SB, HJ vs SB respectively, which my ranges have as around 25% 4bet which I would randomize more like 35-40% and do fewer cold calls). Is my approach correct? My fold to 3bet stat was around 70 percent in my first session of 1k hands using PT4 on ignition which I think is obv way too high but I think it's prob a bit of low sample, and playing too many tables/getting a bit lazy at times.
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Lot to unpack in this single sentence.
To avoid rake you would want to be more agressive as rake is taken postflop. So going for more 4bets in your strategy seems correct. Do keep in mind that when people 3bet lineair they won't have a hard time defending correctly. General pool tendencies is also that they 3bet too value heavy.
With cold call I guess you mean call the 3bet as the initial raiser and not an actual cold call. If you mean an actual cold call, just don't do this.
Normally your fold to 3bet should be ~50%. Which leaves you with 50% to either 4bet or call. You can look at your 4bet strategy and make up the rest for calling. With higher rake I would reduce that to 55-60%. With population playing 3bets too value heavy this stat should be higher anyway so that's a good exploit to pool in the first place.
TL;DR; Fold to 3bet around 60%.
Ya sorry I meant call 3bet, I always play 4bet or fold when not the IR which basically everyone does.
Thanks for the reply.
Depends on size you are getting 3bets/and open size.
At most with 500z rake: UTGvsMP/CO/BU 2,5bb - 8,5bb (Around 60-65%, slightly more vs MP less vs BU)
MPvsCO/BU 2,5bb - 8,5bb (as well around 60%, more vs CO, less vs BU)
COvsBU 2,5bb - 8,5bb (60% as well)
VS SB 2,5bb - 9bb-11bb heavily depends on size they are using (from as little as 40% folds to 60%)
VS BB 2,5bb - 10bb-12bb(Same as SB pretty much 50-60% numbers)
I think vs SB and BB numbers are fairly resonable. I doubt many low stakes player 3bet good % from BB. VS other positions you can 4bet/peel slightly wider
Doesn't it change according to our overall response as well? The more we 4bet the more we can fold?
500z ranges as you can see(I just copied numbers) already overfolding (basically every node OOP over 60% folds)
And other 35-40% between 4betting usually around 20% and rest calling
It is already calling little and hands which are make a lot of sense to alll 88-JJ AQs :D, so I dont think we want to fold more than this. Seems extreme, however if we face quite big 3bet and we are OOP we can just play 4bet/fold strategy(likely including some jamming) ~ maybe 66% 33% or 70-30%(no idea how exacly numbers will look).
Cool thanks for this. TBH the 3bet sizes you gave tend to be on the high end in 200nl. Many people just go 3x ip and 4x oop regardless of more specific positions. So defending wider is crucial.
Exploitatively? yes for sure it changes. Higher the relative rake - more better to end hand early rather than see a flop.
GTO? No idea.
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