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Flop top set in 4b pot HU 200bb deep - 16NLz

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Flop top set in 4b pot HU 200bb deep - 16NLz

Blinds: $0.08/$0.16 (6 Players) BN: $28.14
SB: $18.30
BB: $48.28 (Hero)
UTG: $16.00
MP: $16.32
CO: $31.27
Preflop ($0.24) Hero is BB with Q Q
2 folds, CO raises to $0.37, BN calls $0.37, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.15, CO raises to $5.38, BN folds, Hero calls $3.23
Flop ($11.21) 9 3 Q
Hero checks, CO bets $2.64, Hero calls $2.64
Turn ($16.49) 9 3 Q 4
Hero checks, CO checks
River ($16.49) 9 3 Q 4 T
Hero bets $14.15, CO folds
Final Pot BB wins $15.75
Rake is $0.74

Hi guys.

Had this hand happen to me today and I've got a few questions regarding some decisions I'm unsure of.

  1. Preflop: CO who plays 30/26 over 80 hands raises and a (presumably) fish who plays 60/0 calls. With QQ here, I don't want to give them both a good price being OOP, so I make it quite big. Is this a reasonable sizing?
    When he clicks it back, usually in this population that's either KK or AA and very rarely A2-A5s or stuff like that. Since we're 200bb deep and QQ is just way too good to fold pre, I decide to flat call.

  2. OTF: I flop the nuts and villain elects to bet around 1/5 of the pot. I'm thinking he does this to protect his whole range when he 4b clicks pre. Do I just call here or would you prefer me raising? To me a raise doesn't make much sense, since we scare away his bluffs (AKsx), random garbage holdings and occasionally JJ. Calling doesn't necessarily uncover my hand as strong.

  3. OTT: Do I ever lead here? Does he ever check back AA or KK here?

  4. OTR: My sizing. I'm targeting AA, KK and maybe TT (very few times). Should I overbet or check to induce a bluff? I'm really curious as to what you guys think here.

Thanks a lot!

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Samu Patronen 6 years, 10 months ago

Intuitively I kinda want to just raise the flop and guarantee getting value from AA/KK. There are some turn/river combinations where you can't get value anymore and villain has an option to checkback on the turn since he has the position. That said in many/most cases you stack AA/KK anyway and it's pretty valuable to keep villains bluff in.

Your 3rd point is exactly the reason why raising the flop is appealing, but I'm not 100% convinced that it's the best play. I'm curious what other people think.

I'm gonna go with raise for now. I think the way people at lower stakes play incentivices us to raise because I don't think we're gonna see a lot of bluffing in such a big pot, and most bluffs are draws anyways. And they might get scared on a third spade and checkback with overpairs for pot control. On a rainbow board I would probably favor checking.

a_zuzolo 6 years, 10 months ago

I agree that I prefer a flop raise here, especially on the flush draw board. Would be slightly more inclined to flat a rainbow board.

Worth noting is that if you have no history with this player (ie, he presumably doesn’t know you or your skill level), then I would be even more inclined to raise the flop. The reason being, I think many players at these stakes bet small in spots like this, partly because they think/know that bad players may play worse against a small bet. Essentially, he may be hoping to induce a raise from you here, so if you have the nuts, you should oblige :)

In addition, as you have stated, his preflop line is so often AA or KK, and on this board, there are so many action-killing turns for you (any spade, Jack, or Ten).

james 6 years, 10 months ago

OTF: I flop the nuts and villain elects to bet around 1/5 of the pot. I'm thinking he does this to protect his whole range when he 4b clicks pre. Do I just call here or would you prefer me raising? To me a raise doesn't make much sense, since we scare away his bluffs (AKsx), random garbage holdings and occasionally JJ. Calling doesn't necessarily uncover my hand as strong.

I'd just raise the flop, as other have said there's lots of unpleasant turns and the pot is already huge. Also, I wouldn't expect too many players to have JJ or garbage in this spot.

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