Floating... pre flop.

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Floating... pre flop.

I wanted to get some input on a hand I have been discussing with a few other strong local players here in Vegas... This hand is pure speculation in that, there are several ways to play it given reads and history etc. but what I want to discuss in particular is a possibility of calling in this circumstance.

Game is 2/5 and involves three players:
A-$350(SB)
B-$500(hero, MP)T/T
C-$650(Button)

action is limped(1 player, B) to Button that raises to $25, folds to BB and he re pops it for $85 total... now here is the question, given a hero read of extremely strong ranges on at the very least the BB and quite possibly the Button, isn't this in fact a call as opposed to a fold even though we know we are probably behind?

let me lay out some thoughts... if we perceive a squeeze by a single player, this is certainly a raise in position... however, we're playing against an initial raiser that is still left to act behind us after we potentially make the call.

Here is where I diverge from my fellow players... I submit that I can logically make this call because given my read, I am fairly certain that these two players have potentially very strong hands... strong enough to carry on with the action post flop given a non threatening board. I think this is extremely important component because in order to carry on in this hand, we're going to need to impose very strong implied odds to make this call profitable given a set's roughly 8:1 odds. We've already dropped $5 on this pot and we're going to need implied odds of at least +8:1 in order to make this mathematically break even... so roughly another $640 behind(which we have as there is a total of 890 effective left in A/C stacks). I realize that most players use a 10:1 ratio in order to comfortably make a set mine profitable, but I had said to my friends, that I might even be willing to go to $100 in this situation(or perhaps even $125 if the SB had re-popped for the initial raise-$25 and a stack of red-$100).

To the man, they say there is no way I should be making this play and this is a pure fold, no questions asked.

Certainly, I would NOT make this play 100% of the time in my personal game as the implied odds are very close to break even and not sustainable/positive expectation... however, I contest that I can make this Pre-Flop Float at times given my read of V(s)strength, and very close to even implied odds.

FWIW, the hand was folded by my friend(TT), and the Button smooth called the $85... Flop was 10xx rainbow. they both got it in post flop with A holding AA, and B holding QQ... board ran out to nothing improving.

Thoughts?

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