Facing c/r river nl50
Posted by Lievaai
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Facing c/r river nl50
AF 3,5 and w$wsf 46 (13 samples). Not much info about postflop tendencies...
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1 fold, Lievaai raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1 Flop ($3.25, 2 players) 
BB checks, Lievaai bets $2, BB calls $2 Turn ($7.25, 2 players)
BB checks, Lievaai bets $4, BB calls $4 River ($15.25, 2 players)
BB checks, Lievaai bets $8, BB raises to $22.75, $14.75 to Lievaai ($35.17)?
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The good solution is that most TAGs will c-bet at least 70% and skilful TAGs will check flop(to lead you to betting on turn.)If BB bets 50% or more of pot,fold.If BB checks,you are lucky.
Turn betting is questionable.The size of your bet was too much for a drawing hand,and worse of all,he could have easily have called your turn bet with better flush drawing hands.
Doubling calling usually for 0.25/0.50 means strong hands.BB in this case is very good at slowplaying you.Clearly right now he has a flush or full house which in this case you are all behind with his starting playing hands.Egotistic if you call your hand,folding your hands the the obvious choice.
7s8s is a good trapping hand to be played passive or aggressive if only you have drawing hand on flop(your choice to play either style).i find problems in everything starting from flop to river. Even though this may sound a bit rude,i think you should study poker a bit more and have a bit less ego to play NL50 tables,it will help you alot in facing situations like these.
I did'nt lead out (donk?), I made a cbet after stealing the co and double barreled the turn with picked up flush draw as I thought that he'd fold some Jx and maybe weak Ax type hands. Offcourse, the Q makes him some 2 pairs, straights and pair + straightdraws, but in game, i felt i'd had some FE + can hit river + if I check back, my 8 high will never be good and have to fold any river exept a club.
On the river I decided to make a thin valuebet, as I assumed that I'm ahead of his range.. I felt like AJ-AQ-55 would check raise flop or turn so I did'nt expect him to have a boat all that often. Hands like KsTs are offcourse also in his range, as well as A5 (If he did'nt checkraise flop allready).
To your statements in the second paragraph... (allthough I still think you've missread the hand as me being the bb donking?)
Your comments don't only sound rude, they are rude. I mean, even if I totally missplayed the hand... Isn't that the point of a training site? Where you help each other out in spots where you are uncertain of?
Secondly, you don't know me at all (it's my 1st post here, as I just joined), so stating that I should'nt be playing these stakes at all and that my ego gets in the way... Well, I just don't think that you have enough info on me based on this single hand history i've posted, without even me commenting on my thought process to make this conclusion about my skill level or whatever.
I guess my ego just isn't big enough to tell you my history in poker. I don't think it's relevant and I don't feel the need to justify it to someone who comes to conclusions this fast.
Also, If my ego was to big, why on earth would I be posting hands in forums to see if I made a mistake? People with big ego's don't ask if they make mistakes, they assume they play perfect...
Anyway, If this is the way you are welcomed here...
I posted this hand because I wanted people's opinion about what the best line in this spot would be, Checking back turn, Valuebetting river yes or no, things like that
greetz
Do you think the valuebet OTR is to thin? The reason I made a vbet were that I assumed most hands that rivered a boat would most of the time check raise flop or turn. So that leaves him with the occasional KsTs, Ax and maybe some KQo?
Also, A5, 55 would'nt always check raise river (could be wrong about this?) as my line shows alot of strenght. (allthough a halfpot bet OTR might induce him to think i'm not nutted myself? But I assume the average player on nl50 does'nt think like that?)
So all in all, I thought I could vbet against Ax, Kx, and could safely bet/fold against a c/r...
Do you think there are any flaws in this thought process?
I get that you bet the turn due to flush drawing outs.But,for a value bet for implied odds,it seems too much.Around $2.50-$3 bet is a better bet.But assuming you bet for the intention of doubling barreling,$4 is pretty strong as it gave him needing a ace pair to call.
River bet is too weak.Opponent will not commit half of his stack just to bluff you,and like wuwei said too many combos in his range beats you.
Sorry i offended you,i don't know that much about your playing style and various hands so i came to that conclusion that you should study more poker and having egos.Playing NL50 is a challenge due to less fish and unpredictable players too.
One tiny remark: it doesn't affect our decision to value bet or not whether villain calls or raises 55, A5.
Why would you 2nd barrel 30-40% Pot? After all, we are semi bluffing so getting him to fold would be the best outcome, as everything he has beats our 8 high.
Besides, if you bet under half pot, you turn your hand face up and even a half decent player will notice that. After all, you would'nt be betting that small with a value hand right? So in order to balance your range, the worst thing you can do is bet that small, then yr better off checking back, at least that way you dont get c/r of your draw....
The halfpot bet on the river is only designed to get a call from an Ax or some weird KQ that somehow got there and is curious. After all I don't expect people to ch/r bluff us there so we save some if we are behind, and get more calls from worse hands.
without read i am checking turn. when he calls flop most of his range is Ax and Bway Jx and on the Q almost none of that range is folding so even though you picked up pot equity you fold equity is too low to DB. vs some weak players who peel flop with any pair you turn bet might be OK
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