Facing a really strange river check/shove...
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Facing a really strange river check/shove...
This happened in the 109 Bounty Builder. No reads or notes on Villain. I was playing on a more aggressive style early on today, hence a wider than normal open (for me at least).
PokerStars - $50+$50+$9|45/90 Ante 14 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
UTG+1: 51.16 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP: 55.42 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
MP+1: 48.36 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 15.18, 3Bet Preflop: 1.92, Hands: 112)
MP+2: 15.46 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 13.10, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 86)
CO: 65.96 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 28)
BTN: 138.33 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 28)
SB: 60.47 BB (VPIP: 18.46, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 65)
BB: 86.59 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
Hero (UTG): 102.79 BB
9 players post ante of 0.16 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 2.9 BB) Hero has As 3s
Hero raises to 2.44 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.44 BB
Flop : (6.79 BB, 2 players) 9d 4c 5s
BB checks, Hero checks
Turn : (6.79 BB, 2 players) 2s
BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB
River : (14.79 BB, 2 players) 7h
BB checks, Hero bets 10.64 BB, BB raises to 79.99 BB and is all-in, Hero ???
We obviously have a healthy stack size in relation to the table, and even when we fold we are still 85bb deep. Can/should we just fold? I can't expect we are going to find better spots, and we lose to two hands - 36 and 68. I would think some V's do this with sets and two pairs maybe? Not really sure. Not a situation I run into a lot, except for seemingly every tournament I played today.
Anyone have an resources or video's they've seen that talks about this over shove trend that's starting to occur lately? It's been putting me in a lot of awkward spots, and it's something I want to get into my game but want to make sure I understand the spots to use it properly.
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definitely call here.
I'd always snapcall here. You capped yourself by xb flop and are at the absolute top of your range. He can easily have a bunch of bluffs and worse value as well.
Disclaimer: I'm a cash game player mostly
Folding seems just too heroic considering your perceived range. He can definitely get out of line with bluffs + he could be valueshoving worse.
BTW is it standard to check back the flop at some frequency with this hand? Seems like an easy cbet to me.
I've been mixing flop checks into my game a lot more in spots where betting would be "standard". Just something i've been trying out.
Full disclaimer - I didn't realize I posted this in the more cash centric forum until I couldn't find my topic in the MTT mistakes forum. That's what I get for posting hands when i'm really tired.
I agree in a cash game this is 100% snap call, but I'm not 100% sure it is in a tournament. I think in game we probably always call, but I'm not really finding many hands that he just bets turn, then plans to check raise bluff river with. I also don't see a lot of reason to be shoving sets like this.
If this was at a micro or even low stakes tournament, I wouldn't give much thought to it, but it's one of the bigger bounty builders. The play is generally a lot better there.
I'm still struggling with thoughts on this, my coach said he thinks it's a fold, but would never fault a person for calling. The general consensus though is that it's a call, especially with his bounty on the line. He doesn't have to bluff/have worse value very frequently to make it profitable. I do think it's a lot closer than originally expected though.
His nut range seems so unlikely that I think this is an easy call.
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