facing ~2 pot bets after checking flop

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facing ~2 pot bets after checking flop

Blinds: $1.00/$2.00 (5 Players) BN: $202.35
SB: $246.36
BB: $202.00 (Hero)
UTG: $172.88
CO: $216.42
Preflop ($3.00) Hero is BB with K 9
UTG folds, CO raises to $4.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.00
Flop ($9.00) Q K 8
Hero checks, CO checks
Turn ($9.00) Q K 8 J
Hero checks, CO bets $8.00, Hero calls $8.00
River ($25.00) Q K 8 J 5
Hero checks, CO bets $24.00

unknown weak player.
Bit interesting that he probably betting KT+ here for value with that size, maybe I'm wrong about that. But looks like my hand doesn't beat any value and only a bluffcatcher (decent one I would say)

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Jbarez 6 years, 4 months ago

I'm not thrilled about that, but I think its call. Top pair should be good enough for 2 streets against unknown recreational player. Sizing is not that big concern - recs are capable to both valuebet worse and bluff too much Today I had on 50z spot where I decided to check flop and unknown 1-tabler went for pot/pot/120%psb shove on AQ9Q6 and he shoved A3s

MatoStar 6 years, 4 months ago

Any reasons for checking the turn? I think he has a bunch of draws, even pair+draw.. basically too many combos against which I think we need a protection.
As played I would fold unless I will have some good read on villain. It's triple broadway texture and his range is really broadway heavy, also the fact that his natural bluffs are either paired or A-high heavy. That being said he has a ton of value hands and few like top candidates for a bluffing.

Samu Patronen 6 years, 4 months ago

I tend to just fold here because we don't beat value againts a potsized bet on the river and the line seems pretty strong to me; most players cbet most of their bluffs on this flop and check a lot of mid strenght hands like KJ/QJ/JJ. We need to be careful about overfolding againts good, aggressive regs, but againts "unknown weak player" I wouldn't be thrilled about bluffcatching here.

newfishdonk 6 years, 4 months ago

Don't you think the flop is a little too wet for V to be Checking back a hand like AK, KT, KJ etc I think his check back basically Caps his range ( i don't see him wanting to check back many Good hands on this drawy a board)

On that turn and given flop action i feel we should have some kind of a leading/betting range dunno if K9 is maybe too weak to be lead out, but the turn is definitely a call once we check.

Given the blank river and that our Hand is looking super weak ( the opponent should not be putting us on almost any Ks) and the fact that we block some straights (9T) ,I think we should be good a decent percentage of the time for this to be a call

KaptajnKold 6 years, 4 months ago

I don't think a call can ever be bad here. From a GTO perspective, you should call with something like half your range. I would think you would have plenty of missed draws and worse pairs on this river that you can fold before you fold this hand. Villain is repping a narrow range given 1) her flop check, and 2) her large (polarising) river-bet. The only value hands in villain's range that makes sense to me are AT, T9 and JJ. Given this, and given that neither flush draw completed, I would think there's a decent chance that villain could be over-bluffing on this river.

SeniorPomidor 6 years, 2 months ago

I think this is fold, also i think his range here something like 2pair plus, also like was sad above that call will be not bad here because gto, but if be honest I don't think that most of the people know what is gto is, especially how to apply gto in real time. So my personal view of this situation it's fold.

tate574 6 years, 2 months ago

Having the 9s blocks 9t but also blocks some fds so meh. I think its really close. I have seen recs do this with worse pairs. he should be betting this flop a lot so the check is weird. I think a call is good fold is ok too

LetEmKnow 6 years, 1 month ago

Population never uses this line in a balanced way...they have to have some sort of hand that picked up equity on turn like Ax no bdfd on flop or Tx that didnt bet flop, and its an attractive board for population to range bet 1/3...so it feels like villain played a split range and has QJ, JJ, or ATo that had no bdfd and didn’t want to get x/r off equity...feels very strong...if its a capable reg then its probably a sigh call but i’d fold vs unknown

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