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faced flop raise COvsBU

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faced flop raise COvsBU

CO: $200 (Hero)
BN: $597.58
SB: $378.83
BB: $723.55
Preflop ($3.00) (4 Players)
Hero was dealt T A
Hero raises to $5, BN calls $5, SB folds, BB folds
Flop ($13.00) T 9 4 (2 Players)
Hero bets $10.46, BN raises to $30, Hero calls $19.54
Turn ($73.00) T 9 4 6 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BN bets $40.31, Hero calls $40.31
River ($153.62) T 9 4 6 A (2 Players)
Hero checks, BN bets $521.87, and is all in

hey guys, how u handle this type of spots? also how would u play FD here or oesd?

Thanks in advance ;)

opp - 26/21, 3bet BUvsCO 7%, call open BU - 15%, raise cbet 20%, AF% 43/35/32

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BigFiszh 11 years ago

On the river you have a bluffcatcher and the only bluffs that missed are QJs, I´d say? 99, 44, 87s and diamonds all hit, which is likely way more than what you´d need to make the call.

UpUpAndAway 11 years ago
BigFiszh, I think I posted an almost identical hand a few months back and you told me you would be check/calling this flop as to not get yourself in this spot as much. Would you still be check/calling this hand on this board often or would you consider it to be too far up in your value range nowadays?



BigFiszh 11 years ago

http://www.runitonce.com/nlhe/simple-flop-spot/

This one, right? Slight differences, it´s MP/CO vs. CO/BTN, and Villains have different ranges. In your hand Villain had a tighter overall preflop-range in general AND additionally a tighter range position-wise. Here we have a looser opponent with a likely looser defense-range.

Additionally, in your hand you have the bd-nfd, so you don´t mind giving a freecard, as there are tons of turns you can continue on.

Still I´d say it´s a close spot and I don´t think that games have changed "nowaday", compared to one month ago. :)


Sauce123 11 years ago

I Xc flop too mostly.  As played shrug and fold river.  Fold turn too

ImMIke 11 years ago

hello Ben, i guess if u XC here hand like AT on CO u cbet very narrow range, ~30%?(overwise we r too bluff heavy). I cbet it cause its strongest Ax we have & we have plenty weaker Tx to XC, also we dont have back-up draw to comfortably XC.

thinking of the tern more it feel like a very ugly spot, 78s closed, but there still QJ,KQ missed & two FDs now. Ofc problem is that we gonna have hard time on A LOT of rivers.
How i see it - AT is no different from JJ-AA here(exept that w overpair we can beat opponent's T9s river 4 or 6, but its only two combos of T9s). Also we block no FDs or QJ,KQ which make AT better bluffcatcher, or am I just crazy?

p.s. I think I see now why u wanna XC flop with AT, cause after flop raise even on blankish tern we hate life. and even if opp just calls flop we gonna have hard time on a ton of run outs.

Juan Copani 11 years ago

What would you cbet flop then ? Would you check your entire range ? I like not cbetting this hands when the board clearly plays in favor to IP, something like 9T6 coul be an example, but 9T4 we still want to barrel a lot of potential draws, and not cbetting AT would cap our range on any T mostly. Which is not a problem if u are checking always.


ELOH3ll 11 years ago

Would CRAI be bad on the turn? I know that you dont get called a lot by hands you are beating but you would fold out a lot of hands that have equity against you? Given all the draws he could have would risking 165 to win 113 work often enough?
I realise this is turning our hand into a bluff, is this too agro?

BigFiszh 11 years ago

"Would CRAI be bad on the turn? I know that you dont get called a lot by
hands you are beating but you would fold out a lot of hands that have
equity against you?"

Don´t be lazy, count combos. :) What´s Villain´s range for raising the flop, betting the turn? How many made hands (that call a shove) does it contains, compared to the draws we´d fold out? What´s his equity with his draws? I´ll help you out with math / EV if you like, but make the start.

ELOH3ll 11 years ago

Actually thanks for pointing that out, the only combos that he would bet turn with as semi bluffs is probably only like QJcc, KJcc, QJdd, KJdd. 78 gets there on turn plus all the combos of tp and sets. Thanks for making me do that haha i can see folding turn is better play! :)

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