did i miss a nice double barrel spot? zoom 25nl
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did i miss a nice double barrel spot? zoom 25nl
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players)
BN: $25.00 (Hero)
SB: $25.76
BB: $210.54
UTG: $24.78
MP: $12.42
CO: $73.13
SB: $25.76
BB: $210.54
UTG: $24.78
MP: $12.42
CO: $73.13
Preflop
($0.35)
Hero is BN with
4
4
, , , ,
maybe marginal call, but ip on the btn should be alright.
Flop
($5.10)
6
6
T
, ,
after check my plan was to bet small and bet pretty big on a scary turn
Turn
($8.32)
6
6
T
Q
,
then the scary turn comes and i start doubting about his range hitting this river and end up checking.
double barrel ok? should i even bet flop for 1/3 pot?
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These are tricky spots.
Its probably not a leak to fold pre here? Anyone disagree?
I think its ok to check behind here. We not getting better hands to fold and we not getting value and betting to protect in a spot where villain is always somewhat likely to "float" seems unnecessary - do we not do better stabbing at turns where we could take it down or force a relatively cheap showdown? I'm just not sure we getting a lot of folds on the flop after villain has 3 bet.
Feels like the turn does more for his range than ours given he probably has a lot of broadway combos. I'm not sure I want to make the pot any bigger right now.
I think the fold pre depends on the freq in which the blind is 3betting us. I think we are supposed to be calling with a percentage of our range and since we have a very wide one, most places I've seen recommend calling all pocket pairs and suited broadways.
However, I find it really difficult to play with a small pocket pairs even IP. Sinces he's in the BB he shouldn't be 3betting as much as the SB, so I'd probably just fold and rather call with something with more playability such as 9Ts.
I lean toward folding pre unless villain is pretty aggro, so we have more IO.
If we don't have much info, I would fold.
I want to highlight that rake kills these calls
I usually only call the nits who only have QQ+, that way I know if a set comes it's very likely we play for stacks.
Preflop I don't mind the call wihtout player specific information. If he is somewhat regular and we can assume that he is 3betting reasonably wide, the call is good. I don't know what other people here think, but I would say that you can deduct from his stack size (800BB!) that he is a regular.
On the flop, I like the bet because I do think that are some hands with decent equity against us that fold now. Arguably, I would expect checking ranges in this spot to be weaker than they should be on this stakes. I would bet somewhat bigger though - I don't think this a range bet since we don't have a clear equity advantage in my view. I would go for a more polarized bet.
On the turn, I could see it be the right place, but very unsure. Theoretically speaking you need some combos without diamond to bluff on a diamond river, but if 44 really is the one, I don't know.
Eurocrat
Is shouldn't be the contrary? If he 3bets he will have often a marginal hand OTF and our IO are crippled. Obv it depends on how much he is aggressive but I think you get what I mean
I've only seen maybe 2-3 times a reg to have that stack, imho it's more likely a fish who hit big hands troughout the session
Fair point. I would say it also depends on whether we expect villain to be polarized or linear. I'm probably overestimating that, but the tighter villain is 3betting, reverse implied odds start to matter too.
I don't know, that kinda makes me think of one of these Daniel Kahnemann questions about the bank teller. Point is, regs are at least equally likely to hit strong hands and get a good setup against opponents willing to be pay off, except they have more skills to be paid off.
Eurocrat
Yes you are right but this assume the games run indefinitely, which isn't true.
If a fish has 4 stacks in his account once our lucky and strong reg takes them, unless there are other fishes at the table, the game probably break and players leaves. So our reg stack is reset.
On the other hand, any reg have enough BIs to sustain short term variance, so if a reg lose 4 stacks to a fish, he has many more to put on the table. Also, other regs have more money to be won by the fish. Since the fish is getting lucky, the game will run till he leaves...
So I think the fish with huge stack is more likely.
What do you thik about this?
It's a bit of an offtopic discussion of which I'm not sure where it's supposed to lead us; and hero usually and hopefully has more information on villain than stack size. Your point seems valid for regular tables, but let me just bring as a final argument in support of my point that we are looking at a zoom table here, so tables don't break :-) Rather, regs play longer sessions, being more likely to build a huge stack.
togepi
Do we have any other info on villain, tendecies matters a lot here imho
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