Could I get more value here? Studying my small pots: BTN VS BB SRP. 10NL 6 Max on Ignition / Bovada
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Could I get more value here? Studying my small pots: BTN VS BB SRP. 10NL 6 Max on Ignition / Bovada
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (5 Players)
BN: $10.00 (Hero)
SB: $10.05
BB: $10.56
UTG: $9.60
CO: $6.99
SB: $10.05
BB: $10.56
UTG: $9.60
CO: $6.99
SB is an unknown player.
Preflop
($0.15)
Hero is BN with
A
5
, , ,
Since Villain cold called from the SB, I think, in this pool, that it's likely he is one of the weak players with the tendencies: High VPIP / Sticky / Passive.
Flop
($0.60)
5
3
K
, ,
Taking a look in Power-Equilab, I'm conflicted between betting medium size or large on the flop for value with a strong hand like this (mid pair+nut flush draw), or c-betting small simply because I'm in position against a capped range. The idea behind sizing up to my 75%, is it would be a good exploit against the pool where players tend to be sticky.
Turn
($1.16)
5
3
K
6
, ,
Here I'm slightly concerned about who has the nut advantage, as villain likely has 74s that he could have called from the SB. I think that he has the nut advantage, do I have this right?
River
($2.62)
5
3
K
6
8
,
I'm pretty sure it's too thin to bet here. 3x may fold, and I may just be value betting myself when he calls with 6x, 8x, or the pocket pairs such as 77 or 99.
Final Pot
BN wins $2.49
Rake is $0.13
Rake is $0.13
My question is if I could bet more on flop and turn for value given pool tendencies to call loose postflop, and be sticky. Furthermore, since recreationals are passive post-flop at this stake, I can be less concerned that I will be x-raised and be blown off my equity (~75% on the flop with medium made hand + nutFD against his range).
Let me know your thoughts, I have my ranges and data from power-equilab for the flop below.
1st image is the range BTN RFIs
2nd image shows that middle pair + Nut flush (As5s) draw has 75% equity against SBs range
3rd image shows SB's range categorized on Flop. It's interesting to see that we don't have a range advantage against SB on this flop (50.23% VS 49.77%
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The blue grid in the above snapshot is the call range on Iggy from the SB. It is very similar to your photo #3 so I think you are on the right track with your small blind calling range.
Flop and turn seem fine to me. They are still going to draw with stuff like Qx/Jx/Tx/9x of spades and also stuff like 44/22 on the 6 turn.
In all, this runout is pretty bad for triple barreling here and I would take the showdown much like you did.
Thanks for your help and letting me know my range construction for SB is decent.
When you say the blue grid is the SB calling range on Iggy, I'm not familiar with H2N matrixes. What do the variations of the blue colors as well as numbers mean?
I think I see what you mean by runout by the river being bad for triple barreling for value with such a low pair, pretty standard.
Afterall, there could still be some Kx off that called flop, turn, and river, and even some of the draws that were called flop and turn could be a pair of 6s or 8s by the river, so betting would result in us value betting ourselve.
So, the lighter the box, the more frequent a hand shows up in the call range. For example, look at 99, they essentially 3b 99 as often as they call 99 in the SB vs BTN. 360 times it has been 3b and 384 times it has been called (744 occurrences), so basically 50/50. Now, look at 22, it was 3b 75 times and called 428 times (503 occurrences). The reason 22 has less occurrences than 99 is because 22 as folded more often than 99.
The simple way to put it is the lighter the boxes, the more often it is played as a call. So they call a ton of Ax suited, K9s, Q9s, J9s, T9s, suited broadways, KQo, KJo, QJo and ATo. Suited connectors also. As the boxes get darker, the calling becomes less frequent.
As for the runout, there are not too many great runouts for us aside from spades/A/5 so I would treat this as a two street hand. Flop is fine obviously turn feels fine also. River just feels too thin.
Got it, thanks for explaining the two different matrixes and clarifying that betting the river would be too thin.
Hey NL10 rake structure I am 3x pre. weak players will call to wide earning you ev. good players will call less causing you to pay less high rake earning you ev.
On the flop vs a bad player who calls to wide from the sb. I used the range below. it is equal EV to use a small size or 3/4 size. I would opt for for the larger size vs this weaker player.
Turn I don't think you should focus to much on the combo of 74s this hand is going to a very rear call even for a fish. and if he is calling with that he is calling with many other combos that we have dominated. solver prefers to bet 3/4 pot here. I prefer betting as well vs a weaker player.
River as played when we check back turn you should check back river.
Good luck
I really like your point about opening 3x, I'm going to switch to 3x, and make sure I'm not opening too wide from some positions early.
That's an interesting point that even to a weaker player with 74s, most players will be calling along with other marginal made hands that we are big favorites against.
Another consideration is x-ing flop and allowing Villain to blast off turn and river if he has a flush draw, or it turns out he is an Aggressive Recreational player.
In this case, I can call the turn against most normal bet sizes, then fold against some bigger bet sizes on the river. Maybe I'd fold to half pot or greater? This would be good because many people with flush draws give up on the river when they miss their flush.
Flop: Your spending too much thought about such a small difference in EV of b50 or b75. Also, you referred to your bet sizing in relation to your hand. Bad habit. Try to think in terms of ranges.
Turn: Is a decent card for a rec. b75 sizing fine. Your hand has lots of pot share vs a rec and can potentially fold better (mid pp’s).
River: Def no bet.
I thought you played this fine Poetic. Things to learn here are twofold. Don’t overthink trivial differences in EV in reference to you deciding between medium and large sizing flop. Two, always think in terms of ranges. It will help shape the game of poker with more clear boundaries for you in the future.
Thank you! The observation about thinking of my range rather than my hand if very helpful. I appreciate you drawing my attention to a bad habit. Also, good to understand that spending too much time on bet-size on the flop is trivial in terms of EV.
In consideration of bad habits, I think if I am playing poker with a clear mind or on an upswing, I'm trying to make decisions based on my approximate understanding of what is a good theoretical poker framework.
However, if I've had losing sessions recently or I'm in the middle of a losing session, I think I have a tendency to forego this framework, and make whatever decision that I think would be the most EV against the pool, or what would be best to exploit Villain.
One of the toughest and most underrated skills to develop in poker is not thinking in terms of $$ and instead chipEV. Some suggestions to think this way, 1) make sure to have bb instead of $$ selected for stacks at table, 2) think of your long term goals each session vs if win or lose, 3) mediate or find a way to cool your mind if your thinking about the money.
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