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Nope

You can write shit in RIO forums ;-)

Profanity is not encouraged though XD

Don't look into stats it's 32 hands, it worth s**it.

It depends on what you see him do. Extreme players are easy to categorize. Say you have played one orbit with a guy and he has VPIP'ed 3/6, open limped 2/6, and gotten to showdown once with J6s after openlimping in CO and calling 2 bets with 3rd pair.

That guy is obviously a fish and you can play him as such after only 6 hands.

Playing in hudless enviroment for some time now, i would fucking kill to get 30-hand stats edge over my opponents. If you're not getting any informations from sample such that, just str8 up ignoring it, you're leaving tons of money at tables bro.

If this is from zoom the probability of villain being a fish is pretty high because the vast majority of regs play with a VPIP bellow 24% and have a high fold to 3bet. That being said over 2/3 of all players are regs, so without seeing any postflop bet sizes, timings or hands at showdown I think villain is a fish only a little more than 60% of the time. Changing the probability from 25% to 60% means you have to shift your strategy almost all the way from playing your readless vs regs strategy to your readless vs fish strategy.

Others ppl being "fishy" doesnt make it impossible for them to have a good hand once in a while it just alters the distribution of bad/good holdings compared to tighter players that dont play wide pre and barrell less ott. However there is no deterministic modell to accuartly tell his hand. Plus, general stats alone dont tell you how he reacts on certain runouts vs raise etc.

Easy solution is to think not only what weaker can call turn AND also a blank river.

It's easy to know if villain is a likely fish or not after 32 hands when you're playing reg tables (at least there is enough information available). In zoom it's a little more difficult and you have to rely more on stack size, HUD reads, number of zoom entries and VIP status. Also having the notecaddy HUD feature of being able to see villains last X hands that went to showdown is super useful.

I'm not saying you can have the perfect read about how villain plays his range in all spots after 32 hands, but being 85% certain about him being a fish or a reg can improve your winrate drastically because in a lot of spots you should play the opposite strategy vs regs and fish. Thin value vs bluffing more, merge 3bet vs polarize, fold vs bluff raise, etc.

Also the open limp stat outside SB is a stat that require very few obervations to say something meaningful. Unfortunatly very few of the zoom fish limps so our job of categorizing players have become a little more difficult the last few years.

No. Absolutely not. I think you're kidding yourself.

My main game the last 18 months has been HUSNGs and you'd be surprised by the amount of information I can get about the player type after 3 hands played. Most matches lasts between 18 hands and 100 hands so you have to pick up as much information as possible early on. A lot of it is intuition from patterns common player types exhibit but a lot of it is just observation and logic. The country of the player, his preflop open sizes, postflop bet sizes, timings and what lines he uses in the first 3 hands allows me to make adjustments after as little as 3 hands played.

There is an enormous amount of information you can take in and process, and I think very few 6max players know how good they can get at it. Because you play fewer hands vs any individual player in 6max and you have more players to keep track of it's less important, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

Sadly you are wrong and he's absolutely right. As people have mentioned before, you can get enough info from one hand let alone 32. Obviously not a vast amount of date sometimes enough to sway a decision.

OP talk about low fold to 3Bet on 32 hands...honestly i would like to come with a bettre answer than "LOL"
You talk about HUSNG...?!? Are you trying to compare to different dynamics based on different strategy ? I dont see where you want to lead us here ?

Raising value hands that has less than 50% equity when called is pretty much not a thing in position with deep stacks (100bb+ in 3bet pot or 50bb+ in single raised pots). To raise value hands/bluff-catchers that have less than 50% equity when called you need to make up for it in some way and that is very rarely true in position. Out of position you realize much less of your equity and some plays like raising hands that have 30%-40% equity when called can be a good play if the raise is all in and villain bet a lot of strong draws that you can put in an awkward spot.

The turn isn't super dynamic compared to a typical flop and the board is quite high so few overcards. There is only one FD and mostly just one OESD and GSs around the Q and T, so it's easy to see when villain improve his range and not.

Hey Sneaky, it is actually not mine, i just got invited. I guess they only invite when there is a free space? But it is more or less dead anyway. I would be interested in joining another one.

You need KT+ to be called by worse often enough to raise turn and maybe even just a set or stronger. Villains range is mostly KQ, AK, AA, 2pair and sets for value on that turn, and raising means the only worse hands he'll call a large raise with is combo draws and they might shove together with some hands stronger than KQ and KQ might have to fold against that play. Raising therefore means turning a +EV bluff catcher into a bad bluff.

Dude, they all know a small sample isnt enough to get meaningful stats about frequencies on certain actions. They are just saying that by observing how your opponent plays, even if for few hands, you can gather a lot of relevant information about his overall tendencies. Thats it man. Chill.

OP is wrong when he tries to get a fold to 3bet stat from a 32 hand sample, and if thats what you are all pissed about, yes you are right, you can't tell how much someone is folding vs 3bets from 32 hands. But thats not what the other guys were talking about