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Cold call 3b with AK donk fold flop TPTK

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Cold call 3b with AK donk fold flop TPTK

CO: $56
BN: $200
SB: $282.50
BB: $201
HJ: $546.90
BN/Hero has AsKs
Preflop ($3.00) (5 Players)
HJ raises to $4, CO folds, BN raises to $16, SB calls $15, BB folds, HJ calls $12
Flop ($50.00) Q K 6 (3 Players)
SB bets $25, HJ folds, BN raises to $184, SB folds
Final Pot
BN wins $97
HJ is a 68/24 fish.

BN seems like a bad reg. 30/20 with a WWSF of 35 over 2k hands. 9% 3B.

What do you read into his raise size? Does it make a FD more likely? Would he ever jam a non combo draw into my super strong perceived range? Would he ever jam AK?

The more I look at this the more it looks like a fold. Feels dirty though.

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2blave 12 years, 2 months ago
I also prefer a 4b preflop for the reasons Dario gave. I expect BTN to expand his 3betting range and although playing pots with HJ is appealing it's still better to nearly guarantee the action ends preflop with your particular holding.

I like the lead out because of the rec player in the middle. I assume he's the type to call with any piece, meaning you have plenty of value and would prefer to get the money in as soon as possible without offering either player a chance at a free card. Saying not to lead because the worst possible result happened is just results oriented thinking.

Calling the shove comes down to whether he plays a worse king this way. I think the fact that you donked into the both players makes you look pretty strong, but BTN may not recognise that. I think that QQ/KK/KQ are all better coldcalls than AK preflop, so I don't agree where Dario says that your lead on the flop doesn't make sense. If I was BTN I would perceive your range as probably QQ+, AKo discounted, KQs, KQo discounted, 66 discounted, AdJd, JdTd discounted. If that logic holds I like your fold to the shove.
Ciaran Farrell 12 years, 2 months ago
I am the SB

I don't see the point of 4 betting. We can either call and face 2 ranges we crush including a big fish, or 4 bet have the fish fold and the reg fold everything we beat/ get it in vs him with 42%eq. I guess you think the money we make in non showdown - what we lose at showdown is more than we make by calling? And we also make money when the fish calls the 4b with worse.

" If I was BTN I would perceive your range as probably QQ+, AKo discounted, KQs, KQo discounted, 66 discounted, AdJd, JdTd discounted. If that logic holds I like your fold to the shove."

This is pretty much how I thought my range would be perceived. In fact I think my range is somewhat face up as that. Jamming JT vs that range would be pretty spew and I doubt he ever 3 bets that in the first place. I would be shocked if he jammed KJ.

The donk seems super standard to me. The reg won't cb often and we lose a ton of value from the fish if we check. .

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