Checking back the flop with mid TP hands

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Checking back the flop with mid TP hands

1.
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $226.66 (113.3 bb)
SB: $203.32 (101.7 bb)
BB: $268.24 (134.1 bb)
UTG: $251.02 (125.5 bb)
MP: $175.16 (87.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $240.75 (120.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ts Jd
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, BTN folds, SB calls $5, BB folds

Flop: ($14) 3h Js 9s (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($14) 2s (2 players)
SB bets $8.69, Hero calls $8.69

River: ($31.38) 3c (2 players)
SB bets $24.58, Hero ??

2.
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

CO: $230.68 (115.3 bb)
BTN: $269.33 (134.7 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)
BB: $271.06 (135.5 bb)
Hero (UTG): $355.72 (177.9 bb)
MP: $208 (104 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qs Js
Hero raises to $6, 4 folds, BB calls $4

Flop: ($13) 2c Tc Jh (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($13) 7h (2 players)
BB bets $14, Hero calls $14

River: ($41) Jc (2 players)
BB bets $42, Hero ??


Grouping these 2 together as they are somewhat similar. Both involve checking back with a mid TP kind of hand as I don t want to face a c/r with either and I give up on these kinds of boards a lot in these positions so I like its good to have hands that can stand some heat and get to showdown.

1: Villain is running 26/20 and passive with his 3 bets preflop. Postflop he c bets both flop and turn at an above average frequency but my sample is very restricted so its obv unclear.

Do you call down?

2: I think this check is likely a mistake. He s playing 23/12 so I should just go for value as he can def have a lot to call with and I m much less weary of a c/r and feel less need to balance ranges vs him. As for his bet sizing here I ve seen him do this kind of sizing before and I think the time it was shown down it was value. I m assuming given he s not that aggressive and the way the board ran out he s value heavy here as well.

Thoughts?

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Andrew Whelan 12 years, 2 months ago
1st hand: i only ever check back to give up or if im comfortable calling on any turn, is ok but dont particularly like it with this hand, would only do it if villain c/raised alot, which is unlikely as u said he hasnt been 3 betting which is a fair indication, would prefer checking like KT on KJ7, as played would call river, not hugely profitable but is basically the top of your range, prefer bet folding flop though, or bet 3 betting flop if you get raised and folding to a jam is pretty good a i think is a hugely underutilized strategy against aggressive opponents, would take too long to explain why now, but let me know if u want my thoughts on it, keeping your range uncapped is the key to any situation basically.

2nd hand: would call also, is a little closer though. you've capped your range on this flop is highely unlikely you can have a flush, would make his bluffing frequencies go up most likely, looks like he's trying to get you to fold a hand like AT, KT which i would also call because its the same hand as QJ here when he pots it, KJ and AJ a little different, once again prefer betting flop though, your UTG range is very protected here, villain is highely unlikely to be c/raising light, the crux is if u think he's c/raising alot in the spot checking top pair is pretty good, im not convinced that they are in either hand though, do you?
Andrew Whelan 12 years, 2 months ago
didnt read your part on 2nd hand properly, against a recreational player with a read that pot is strong, folding is prob ok, against a reg i would not
James Hudson 12 years, 2 months ago
Try to figure out where you're at in your range in these spots. If you're near the top of your flop checking back range then you should probably call down a decent chunk of the time. If you still don't feel comfortable calling in these spots despite being near the top of your range then I would look into people's turn leading ranges in these spots in HEM. If you think people are just too strong when they go bet bet here then you can probably make some exploitable folds. Another way to approach this problem would be to check back some stronger made hands and draws so that you feel more comfortable playing a turn range that isn't capped and can actually hit some cards that you would normally have to auto fold on (I.E. flush cards).

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