Cardrunners EV with QQ hand in 3b pot
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Cardrunners EV with QQ hand in 3b pot
Hello everyone,
I'm new to RIO and also fairly new to CREV. I bought the software as far back as 2011 but I was too lazy to learn how to use it. Now I'm trying my best to learn how to use it and work on my game.
For the longest time I'll just key in the hand details but I don't really know what I want to calculate and I wasn't sure what variables I should be adjusting. After watching Sauce's toy-gaming video part 2, I figured out that we were supposed to attempt to come to a Nash Equilibrium such that our bluff catchers had 0 EV on a call, and Villain's bluffs were close to 0 EV.
The Hand
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2445406
CREV SS

What I did
Assumptions: SB 3-bets 18-20%, BU defends with a solid range of AXs, suited broadways, suited connectors and one gappers, some broadways. I guess BU could defend wider with K2s+ and Q7s+ but the villain in the hand was on the tighter side.
SB double barrels large on Flop and Turn with AJ, QQ-AA, TT/JJ for value and checks his entire range on the River including sets (I don't think you can value bet that when villain has a flush 24% of the time right?). I guess I forgot to include JTs too.
BU raises the Flop with TT/44/JTs and some club combo draws. BU raises the Turn with JJ and some diamond combo draws. BU has a flush 24% of the time, and he bluffs another ~8-10% of his range (busted diamond draws) to balance. SB has to check-call ~60% of his range
Findings
I end up with a 57.5% check-call with
Overpairs with club flush blocker: AcA, KcK, QcQ
Overpairs without diamond flush draw blocker: AsAh, KsKh, QsQh
Sets and 2-pairs: JTs, JJ, TT
Most of BU's bluffs have an EV of between 10 to -75. Most of SB's check-calls have an EV of -40 or higher, with the exception of JJ having an EV of -244.
Does this mean that I should check-fold JJ here? Am I doing things right?
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Just two things to begin with:
1) Your flop-betting-range for SB entirely consists of valuebets - by purpose? I mean, against this range BTN shouldn´t even call AT on the flop ... which makes the remaining range construction pretty whiffy, as you obviously can "afford" to continue with way less hands on further streets than if you had a bluffing-range.
2) Regarding the river (my CREV only shows 54.8% x/c, not 57.5%?): when you hover over your x/c-range, you´ll see that KK, QQ and JJ all have negative EV (interestingly, AJ has positive EV, because it blocks most of his bluffs given your range assumptions), so the call is bad! => You never make a decision for pure balance reasons - when the decision leads to you losing money.
All your decisions have to be at least 0EV. If that isn´t possible, i.e. if you´d be unable to come up with a "balanced" x/c-range on the river, it can have two reasons (either in isolation or often combined):
a) your range construction on earlier streets was sub-optimal,
b) the board-runout was just "unlucky" for your range, so it´s one of those rare cases that you can make an unexploitable fold (there had been a very long discussion on that topic in another thread).
1. Hmm at first I was just doing it with QQ alone, then I figured I should probably look at my top bluff catchers in this spot so I opted to use those hands instead. I guess my main goal was to find out if QQ was a c/c or a c/f, I didn't really think too deeply about the bluff portions of my range because I'm not too sure how to input both ranges in and interpret whatever that comes up properly
2. I think I added JTs afterwards which changed some variables.
What do you suggest I fix? Do you agree with the findings? That I should only c/c AJ and AA with Ac, and check-fold everything else?
checking dosnt really achieve much if you intend to chk call. shovings better imo.
Well I definitely don't think I can valuebet. With the flush completing it puts so much pressure on his 1pair hands.
why do you bet flop relatively small (90 into 165) and then POT the turn? I get that on the turn the board is very wet, but still?
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