Call overbet shove?
Posted by Chael Sonnen
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Chael Sonnen
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Call overbet shove?
BN: Hero: $270.31
SB: typemike1: $217.42
BB: r@f@el: $263
UTG: x4v13er: $245.90
HJ: kettcar75: $174.28
CO: hmm.. napfig: $283.20
SB: typemike1: $217.42
BB: r@f@el: $263
UTG: x4v13er: $245.90
HJ: kettcar75: $174.28
CO: hmm.. napfig: $283.20
Villian is an aggressive reg.
There are the notes I have:
3-bets quickly in CO vs UTG, folds to 4-bet
4-bets BTN to 19 vs BB 3-bet to 8, insta-folds to jam
opens SB, bets 8/11.5 on 728ss, 3-bets to 58 over my raise to 28, insta-folds to jam
floats OOP with QKo on 575r, c/c K turn and insta-calls A river on
2/3 pot bet
big slowplay with 88 on 8559K
3-bet/folds a lot??
2-barrels KTs on 7JAs 3, checks K river
flats A3dd on BTN vs CO, calls 2-barrel on 742s 4s, checks 7s
There are the notes I have:
3-bets quickly in CO vs UTG, folds to 4-bet
4-bets BTN to 19 vs BB 3-bet to 8, insta-folds to jam
opens SB, bets 8/11.5 on 728ss, 3-bets to 58 over my raise to 28, insta-folds to jam
floats OOP with QKo on 575r, c/c K turn and insta-calls A river on
2/3 pot bet
big slowplay with 88 on 8559K
3-bet/folds a lot??
2-barrels KTs on 7JAs 3, checks K river
flats A3dd on BTN vs CO, calls 2-barrel on 742s 4s, checks 7s
Preflop
($3.00)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
A
K
x4v13er folds, kettcar75 folds, hmm.. napfig folds, Hero raises to $5, typemike1 folds, r@f@el raises to $18, Hero raises to $37, r@f@el calls $19
x4v13er folds, kettcar75 folds, hmm.. napfig folds, Hero raises to $5, typemike1 folds, r@f@el raises to $18, Hero raises to $37, r@f@el calls $19
Planning to get it in with AK. Not super happy about it, but it's a BTN vs BB spot versus an aggressive reg.
Flop
($82.00)
J
7
7
(2 Players)
r@f@el checks,
Hero checks
Most of the hands that fold are dominated by me anyway, and I really don't want to get check-raised. Hoping to get to showdown.
Turn
($82.00)
J
7
7
3
(2 Players)
r@f@el bets $38,
Hero calls $38
Now he bets the turn. I expect him to bet Jx and his PPs, any gutshot and diamond/spade draw.
River
($158.00)
J
7
7
3
2
(2 Players)
r@f@el bets $188, and is all in
At first I thought, easy fold, but it doesn't really make sense.
He's repping only the diamond draw and maybe A7, since he would get in JJ pre-flop for sure.
We block A7 and we have the second nut diamond.
If you were in his shoes, what would you overbet with? I don't see him doing this with AJ or even QQ,
Since my range is fairly capped after my check and call line, I think he will attack here very hard.
I think this is a call because there is simply no hand he'd bet for value like this that's reasonable, and we block them all.
He's repping only the diamond draw and maybe A7, since he would get in JJ pre-flop for sure.
We block A7 and we have the second nut diamond.
If you were in his shoes, what would you overbet with? I don't see him doing this with AJ or even QQ,
Since my range is fairly capped after my check and call line, I think he will attack here very hard.
I think this is a call because there is simply no hand he'd bet for value like this that's reasonable, and we block them all.
Thoughts?
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I think you should remove the last note for discussion purposes^^
To me the overbet seems to be 7x+ or busted spades/random gutshot(98) although I wouldnt mind a shove with AJ/QQ for thin value
hahaha I failed :)
Id like to know something about his flopcbets% flop ( normal & 3bet pots), xF vs missed cbets%. Because at the same time that im tented to call the river, im thinking that there is no bluff that he would not bet on that flop. So if he is cappable of play a xR with spades on that board, are more reasons to call. But if he´s cbetting 100%, and xFolding a huge amount when he did not cbet, or xRaising almost never, are more reasons to fold.
If i don´t have any of this reads, i supposed that i should defend 1-a. And beeing AK a hand to call with or not, it also depende about how do you split your range here. You bet 88-TT ? You bet a hand like J9s/JTs on the flop? How many bluff would you bet on the flop after his check ?
You should be super happy getting AK AIPF here, your BTN range is too wide not to 4bet gin strictly for value.
Once you check back the flop, i do think he can go for thin value with QQ+/AJ as mentioned above.
I really don't enjoy checking AK sometimes for SD as i know this makes it easy for villain to SD his weaker one pair hands that would of had a tough time facing multiple barrels. i need to do some more work constructing some adequate checking ranges to make sure i'm more balanced. The board texutres are very relevant when choosing to check SD AK high. And also opponent tendencies - would they simply check AQ high and not stab?
Any opponent would put you on AK a lot once you check the flop behind. An aggro vilain might try to bluff you off that, pretty sure he's like always going for 2 streets unless maybe the river is a J or 7. The overbet is not even that relevant imo and it's really possible that this is the only sizing of vilain on that river. If he's decent he would for sure value bet Jx like that, his value range isn't that narrow then.
So I think it's really vilain dependant and the more you think he will stab that turn the more you should call him down with AK. Against an aggro vilain whom you need to call down with AK sometimes, holding a diamond blocker can be the deal breaker imo. So yeah I'd call him down this time and fold sometimes and feel ok about it.
he could for sure have AJ or QQ and he probably thinks you have AK or AQ. it comes down to your history with him and whether he thinks you will fold AK or AQ in this spot to better determine what how much air is in his range. If he is a good aggressive reg, he knows that his image allows him to value bet light here and get hero called by AK even sometimes.
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