Think a bluff is very unlikely. But this is bovada and anything is possible. Can this ever be worse value though?

I feel like you're always getting shown 77, 99, or JJ here. Our hand looks like a 7 esp w our sizing on the river. Would be a sick bluff, there's $738 in the pot and its $222 to call. I want to fold but pot odds make it tough. I can't imagine worse betting for value here but it is Bovada I guess its a call.

fold. and it's not even that close, for all the reasons mentioned by you guys.

btw its not standard for me to stab turn with 2 players behind me, let alone one of them being a sticky stinky fish.

you need to think for yourself instead of copying stuff that nosebleed pros do.

We have to have turn bluffs...

nope, not at all.
this is a common mistake.

agreed, with 2 Phil Galfonds behind me that are capable of folding and are crushing you if you dont balance this spot, you have to have bluff range.

but.... you dont have 2 Phil Galfonds behind you.

You have 1 sticky phish behind you and 1 reg that is not good enough to afford playing reasonable stakes. probably because he cant fold either.

you need to think for yourself instead of copying stuff that nosebleed pros do.

Wat? I mean we are all here trying to get better. 2/4 online on any site has good players. THINKING players who are absolutely putting you on a range and trying to exploit you. Since Bovada is anonymous, we must play a theoretically sound game until we develop reads in game. This means balancing and trying to play a gto style until we have reason to do otherwise.

This is one of those spots where I think we may give villains too much credit by assuming they're playing perfectly.

The possibility of him going crazy with a 7, and just deciding to get fancy in a passively played pot, would make me want to call this sometimes.

From his perspective you have a lot of junk in your BB range. Flop checked around and now you've stabbed a blank turn. Obv you're not double barreling all your range, but you'll certainly have bluffs there and prob some Jx you're folding.

When he checks this flop and call the turn with a fish behind I think his range is, 99/TT/Jx/JJ. So on river he should turn something like TT into a bluff. I dont think he will ever do this--->fold

I cant see many 7x in his range. A7s could sometimes play like this. Lets say he plays A7s 10% of the time like this. Then he has 0.2 A7s combos while 99 is playing often like this, so 2 to 3 combo's of 99 and 0.2 combos of A7s.

Since Bovada is anonymous, we must play a theoretically sound game until we develop reads in game.

there you go:

UTG is a PASSIVE FISH who limps

Since Bovada is anonymous,
...balancing

lol? that's logically a contradiction in itself.

totally agree. thx for your input it helped me.
but NOT for BALANCING reasons.at least not in this spot given the factors mentioned in this thread.

apologize for not expressing myself sensitively enough. will work at expressing myself more respectful in future.
likewise expect from you to accept that not all opinions have to be mainstream (especially regarding balancing) and equal to yours. rather value them as enrichment to dialogue process. freedom of speech.

How big of a stack and how fishy is the UTG player?

Might just 3b or fold preflop.

invest in the handconverter/ Card cathcher
I use both
Card catcher to get my hands over to HEM
and conveter to conveter with hole cards for player pool reads....
It is relatively cheap when you are playing mid stakes ;D
and your doing you self a disservice not using them imo.
and us for having to read these wack HH's.....
Ace poker solution

im not only a affiliated, but a happy user :D