bottom 2 vs flop raise

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bottom 2 vs flop raise

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players) BN: $36.17
SB: $25.33
BB: $25.25
UTG: $69.46
MP: $25.35 (Hero)
CO: $24.65
Preflop ($0.35) Hero is MP with 8 9
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB folds
Flop ($2.50) Q 9 8
SB bets $2.39, Hero raises to $7.00, BN folds, SB raises to $11.61, Hero calls $4.61
Turn ($25.72) Q 9 8 7
SB bets $12.97 and is all in

Sb is most likely a fish. Im very worried that he has 16 combos of jt here and again i feel like there are just so few bluff combos he has. Do you guys agree with the flop raise? And do you guys think i should just fold flop or fold turn?

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Sliphex 9 years, 3 months ago

I've spent lots of nerves and brain power (and money) to try and figure out these fish's minclick-it-back-raises ... and they seem to always have the goods there :D and they won't slow down on any imaginable "scare card" (not that they would be scared at all)...so I just don't want to call the raise on the flop and fold any turn that doesnt fill me up so I just fold after his raise IF (thats important) I know he's a fish

Profchaos911 9 years, 3 months ago

It's unlikely he has a set of 99 or 88 the only set left is QQ and he probably would have 3 bet it preflop. His flop raise is either better two pair but again doubtful or most likely a FD or SD or something like 9hXh. I would probably get it in OTF and not even think of folding because you block so many of his strong hands. The turn sucks here not sure what to tell you but that's why I would get it in OTF to make life easy for myself.

zorgar 9 years, 3 months ago

Did you missread the board? I think his most likely value hands are jts and depending on how lose he is even jto

Profchaos911 9 years, 3 months ago

I see the board very clearly. I think at these stakes people bet wide I'm assuming Qx is betting here most of the time so is a draw. I'm saying his most likely hands here are draws one of which just got there. Your range for these stakes is too narrow and at micro stakes people don't really think hands through that well. You're watching too many pro's break down hands of players who are on a different level. These stakes people rarely think adjust your strategy for much wider ranges.

silken218 9 years, 3 months ago

I believe calling the F is better. The donk bet is almost pot size so the player behind will fold a large % anyway. And we avoid this gross click back.
On the Turn I would fold. He would have to have a ton of TPTK and NFD's(and some random I guess) for us to get close to 25% equity.

GL at the tables!

aamadeo 9 years, 3 months ago

I prefer to just call OTF, we block the sets, but like you said it he has JT(16) + Q8s(2) + Q9s(2) + 88(1) + 99(1) and FD(~10), I would call flop, and turn, the 7 just completes 65s.

kafrinius 9 years, 3 months ago

If this is the random aggrro fish.
raise donkbet biigger like 9$ and get it in blank turns if called or flop if he shoved....
crushed the board ( nowhere near he has QQ and sets).. Fish donking all draws, donking all top pairs Qx,made str8s and occasionaly the slow roll AA KK so np.

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