Bluffing range? 100nl

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Bluffing range? 100nl

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So I think this spot is quite interesting on many levels. First should we raise here? I mean obv we got a boat but my intuition says that its a lot thinner then it seems. Villains raising 20-25% from this spot c betting ~ 75% 2 barrels 33% over a small sample. For betting the river I ve given him aq,aa,kk,qq,22,a2$s,tt this range. For this to be a raise here he needs to call AA 50% of the time and we re at 55% vs his calling range. Now AA only beats a bluff so we need to have at least perceived bluffs in our range. So what do we bluff with here? I think that we can possibly bluff raise an exploitable range as well here. I m thinking AKss, AJss, and maybe JJ that you floated 2x? How would you guys play your river? and how do we get enough bluffs in this spot?

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BigFiszh 12 years, 1 month ago
First of all, you don´t have to shove. If you just click it back, I wanna see the NL100-reg that snap-folds AQ in this spot. If so, we should just float any2 on the flop and take the same line. Won´t happen, imho.

That said, the question is NOT if you should raise, but if you should shove. You should definitely raise, imho (a more interesting question is what happens if you minraise and he shoves, but in this case, I´d actually think you can fold, he´s "never" shoving AA, QT and most likely not even 55 in this spot, not to mention him bluffing).

The question if you should shove or not - obviously entirely depends on the Villain and how he perceives you. Some will snap-fold AA like a hot potatoe (where A2s obviously has almost exactly the same relative hand strength!), some will snap you with AQ because they expect you to being able to turn QJs into a bluff or overplay QTs (if it´s in your preflop-range).

That said, we had to know sth. about the Villain AND sth. about how he perceives you to give more than just a guess how he will react on a shove. But flatting is totally out of question for me. In any way. :)
WM2K 12 years, 1 month ago
Ya idk about minraising and then folding. Its a PSB to raise here so the spr is just wrong. I d rather just shove with the right range. I did some further analysis and I think you can shove TT,QQ,Akss,AJss, and a combo of QJ or KQ then AA is indifferent to calling. I think that without enough history you can shove wider then that and be exploitable. Then tighten your range when you get caught/have more then 250 hands with villain so that he has reason to be paranoid.

Fwiw I think I d fold AQ to a minraise. Cause like who bluffs like at 100nl?
BigFiszh 12 years, 1 month ago
I totally agree with everything you said! No doubt. Minraising is a highly exploitative play and far from optimal, given stacksizes. It´s just that most regs can´t fold their hands given the "good odds" they´re getting (and nobody ever re-bluffs there). even though nobody actually takes this line as a bluff. So, you could just try it ... KNOWING that it´s not a well-designed game-plan at all.

Against very good regs you should indeed have a wider river-shoving-range for value AND as bluff (most likely turning the bottom end of your bluff-catching-range into a bluff - like you mentioned).
Ace 12 years, 1 month ago
If you want to bluff the river Tx seems the fairly clear candidate if you floated any on the flop (which you should imo)

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