Bluff Q high?

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Bluff Q high?

Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players) BN: $4.67
SB: $6.29
BB: $10.83
UTG: $9.40
MP: $5.00
CO: $5.05 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.07) Hero is CO with J Q
UTG raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds
Flop ($0.52) 8 4 7
UTG bets $0.25, MP raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, UTG folds
Turn ($1.97) 8 4 7 3
MP checks, Hero checks
River ($1.97) 8 4 7 3 A
MP checks, Hero bets $1.20, MP calls $1.20
Final Pot MP wins and shows a pair of Nines.
CO lost and shows high card Ace.
MP wins $4.19
Rake is $0.18

Guy fkin snapcalled me.
I think I can rep a wide range of suited Ax that I can have here, my real range probably doesn't contain a lot of suited Ax but at least I have ATss AJss and maybe AQss (although I would probably squeeze that).

But anyway it's quite credible to think that I would flat pre with all sorts of suited Ax and I'm definitely valuebetting those so I think QJs is a theoretical bluff here (JTss would bet turn and T9ss would reraise flop).
I might be capable of Holding J9ss here which is the only worse Hand that I can have on this river.

The guy called me with the 9 of spades ALSO WTF... he blocks J9ss. I'm bluffing like 2 Combos in this spot... wouldnt even bluff KQss KJss KTss.... ok maybe KTss but not KJss and KQss... dafuq

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JRthekid32 8 years, 2 months ago

It sounds like you are out thinking yourself a little bit here. It seems highly unlikely that this villain knows anything about blockers or is even thinking that hard about what your range looks like. He just sees that he has a decent pair.

If you don't have much of a read on him then you won't really know what he'll do with underpairs to the Ace, so I think sticking with a reasonable value/bluff frequency on the river is the right play. If you think you have 3 value combos on the river then you probably pick 1 combo to bluff with. If you have a read to suggest he will fold the underpairs, you can bluff more. If you have a read that says he won't, then you probably don't bluff at all. I think it matters much more how much value you have in your ACTUAL range than your repped range since the villain would have to be able to hand read to understand what you're repping.

Pokerlogical 8 years, 2 months ago

Nice post :)... ya you're right I should probably be very honest what my actual range looks like and how easy it is to overbluff in these spots...

When I'm very honest my only valuebets are ATss and AJss so I can only bluff little less than 1 combo which would be which would be J9ss but I'm still not sure if I maybe want to bet turn w/ J9ss....so basically when I'm betting J9ss OTT my worst Hand OTR is suddenly QJss. However when I'm slowplaying 56s OTT at a low frequency I can get away with bluffing more than 1 combo.

But I was so sure that he would call a turnbet so there is no point in checking turn in this Hand holding 56s...especially since there is a flushdraw on the board...

Fish-fil-A 8 years, 2 months ago

Right play. Bad result.

Liked the turn check back and bluffing river. MP just played the hand badly. Raising utg flop cbet in a 3way pot with 99.is terrible. River call he made is a bad call in the long run.

So when he raises flop cbet, his range is a very good made hand, a draw, or sometimes crap. 99 would not be in his perceived range. When he checks turn and river, I would think he doesn't often have a made hand. If he had a set or two pair, he would likely lead turn with two spades on board or bet river after check check on turn.

At the river, Q high is obviously one of the worst hands you could have and villain likely doesn't have a good enough hand to profitably call, so I like the bluff. When you cold call on the flop, you have a pretty strong range. He only beats spades and probably puts you on spades since you didn't bet turn.

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