You have to add the fact it's like 12 bb deep with antes. Seems kinda weird to flat aces pre if you not are going to stack off on a board like this. He's very high up in his range. Think it's possible that Seiver value ships worse and bluff a bunch as well. I pretty much agree with Seiver, if he had like KQ or AQ it's a very disgusting spot, but don't think he can fold aces here.

reinkemeier isnt very high up in his range at all

i didnt say that

Only thing I can think of is that Seiver's chatplay threw Reinkemeier off somehow. Ridiculous fold if you consider Seiver's shoving range.

How can you say it's a 'ridiculous' fold? Do you even remotly picture yourself in their shoes?

I mean they're playing for big money, and trying to make the absolute best decision in every situation. This is live, this is a 1M tourney that surely doesn't run every week, obviously players will over-fold some spots. It would be quite bad to play hands according to GTO if you can make a correct exploitative fold / call. Simply because the situation won't happen again, so you should make your best to read your opponent on the actual hand they have, instead of their range.

This is definitely a tourney where you want to have soul reads. And they'll be wrong sometimes. Thinking players should play this tourney as if it was a random $100r online is ludicrous IMHO. Every decision is basically life or death, or close to it in terms of emotional intensity and weight. You can't expect players to just call because they're high in their range ; for sure they'll think twice about it, and if they belive they should fold, they will. That's what make them the best. Good but not excellent players can't make borderline calls / folds. They can only make 'correct' decisions. The best players are willing and able to take more risk in their decision-making ; that is they will occasionnally deviate from 'correct' based on reads. And obv they're not gods, so they'll be wrong sometimes.

You probably know the hand between Reinkemeier and Roland De Wolfe, where he called the river with air expecting De Wolfe to muck the winning hand.  Reinkemeier is no fish, and is able to follow his heart. Scott Seiver just had the best of him in this hand : he made a good job at convincing the live fox that he had a monster.

Just saw the hand vs De Wolfe... pretty impressive, I've never seen anything like it.

Anyway, I didn't mean to suggest Reinkemeier is a fish, just that his line is, well, ridiculous. I don't play much live but if this was online I could never imagine myself folding, so I have to think that the chat had a lot to do with his decision.

Also, I don't see how the fact that it's a huge tourney is relevant. Do you think he would play differently if the tourney prize pool was smaller? He's still playing against Seiver, the board is still the same, he still has the same cards, etc. Even if it was for play money, he should be playing the same way as long as he's trying to play well. If he's not trying to play well due to apathy or whatever, he probably shouldn't be playing in the first place.

considering seiver held a bluff, i think thats one of the douchiest reactions possible by him.  its like the fact that he was forced to sweat the fold for 10 minutes actually made him incapable of enjoying the win.  talk about fucking with someones reality! (renk 1  - seiver 0) imho

If seiver didn't say anything Reinkemeier would probably have called. That chat was world-class.

I dont think his reaction was due to his fold but rather that he didnt 3b pre.

My impression was seiver was half in disbelief because he didn't think AA could possibly fold and he played his reaction off as if he had AA beat.  I haven't watched it in a while but he was projecting both disgust AA folded and disbelief he somehow survived that spot.