Better sizings or just shove turn JJ on wet board

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Better sizings or just shove turn JJ on wet board

Blinds: $0.01/$0.02 (5 Players) SB: $2.20 (Hero)
BB: $1.72
UTG: $0.84
CO: $2.10
BN: $2.15
Preflop ($0.03) Hero is SB with J J
2 folds, BN raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.22, BB folds, BN calls $0.16
Flop ($0.46) 3 9 8
Hero bets $0.32, BN calls $0.32
Turn ($1.10) 3 9 8 4
Hero bets $0.72, BN raises to $1.61 and is all in, Hero calls $0.89
River ($4.32) 3 9 8 4 K
Final Pot SB wins and shows a pair of Jacks.
BN lost and shows a pair of Nines.
SB wins $4.17
Rake is $0.15

Against a recreational do you shove turn for 80bb on 55bb ? Should I have bet pot on flop and just shove turn? I think that play would be better with Jh. Any comments?

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MulderFBI 6 years, 8 months ago

Betting pot on the flop and shoving safe turns is reasonable vs a recreational whos range of calling will be wide, any 9x,8x, weaker pocket pairs and lots of draws. On a K turn he still might be continuing with 2nd and 3rd pairs + draws. Vs his raise I think you are still good enough times to call. Also having a Jh is in fact worse because you block some of the flush draws villain might have so his range is more nutted.

Risva10 6 years, 8 months ago

I mean is he gonna call pot on flop with a FD? Even if he is a rec... I think with the Jh we can be safer for the whole board runout am I wrong?

Risva10 6 years, 8 months ago

Now that I think about it more we already block straight draws it would be hard to get value by worse if we also block the hearts. But im not sure.

MulderFBI 6 years, 8 months ago

Recs have often unelastic calling ranges if hes planning to call it doesnt matter if its 2/3 or pot size. On dry boards im bluffing with low sizings like 1/3 maximum and find lot of folds. On a wetter structure im cbetting only for value without any specific reads and im doing it 2/3 or more. I agree you block some SD but you can get value also from top pairs and second pairs. Im Just pointing general reads vs recs you have no info on him and of course some recs wilk have elastic calling ranges for sure.

TexasFoldUmmm 6 years, 8 months ago

Yes, I agree having a heart is worse because it blocks his flush draw bluffs. However, back to the recreational part, I'm not sure how many recreational players are semi-bluffing a FD.

Nice job!

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