Best hands for 3bet bluffing
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Best hands for 3bet bluffing
Let's we're on the BTN and CO opens (standard reg). For argument's sake let's say we do not think we can profitably call w/ any of these hands, so we are not allowed to put any of these hands into our calling range (in reality this is not true, but in this example we do not want to worry about that). How would you rank the profitabilty of these hands? So the first hand in the row should be the most profitable 3bet bluff and the last one the least profitable.
A3s, KTo, K8s, T8s, 76s
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depends on how he plays post flop and how wide he opens and how often he calls 3 bets.
It's a bit of a theoretical question. If we open SB vs BB vs an unknown I can safely say that I'll make more profit w/ AA than KQs. However w/ these 3betting hands it's a bit more difficult.
Im prolly not 3 betting a bunch with no information :)
Id put them all pretty close in a vacuum I guess so in that sense it doesnt really matter much, so im looking for other factors that decide when and why.
If you have flopzilla you can see how often each of these hands hit flops and how they compare vs what you think an unkowns call 3 bet range is. Doing it that way is whats really going to bring out the strengths and weaknesses of the hands for you and answer the question much more meaningfully than reading the opinions of other posters
http://en.donkr.com/Articles/Category/Optimal-3-bet--4-bet--5-bet-Strategies-in-NL-Hold'em-6-Max-16
You can start here and begin constructing a range.
just awesome how these old but really gold donkr articles found their way back up to RIO...they should really answer all of your questions...cheers
It's hard to tell, because the "profitability" of 3betting these hands corresponds to the relative EV of 3betting compared to flatting, and this EV of flatting depends on our actual hand, along with many other things.
That said, all hands you listed seem strong enough to flat IP, but if for some reason I had to 3bet them I'd prefer having a blocker in my hand, which favours the first 3 hands (A3s, KTo, K8s). However, 3betting T8s and 76s have other merits such as wide(r) board coverage, and in the end I think they are all similar in terms of EV, as ITPIS mentioned above.
it is very importing to know,if villain calling 3bet OOP or just 4bet/fold,if he calling you can 3bet 76s,but if he only 4bet/fold than just flat this hand and 3bet ass bluff hand for example A3s,K8s(you need make some calculation about how wide 3bet bluff again dif. open range)
Let`s say the co is opening standard AA-22,AKo-ATo,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo,AKs-A2s,KQs-K8s,QJs-Q8s,JTs-J8s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s,65s which is 326 combos and is gonna defend/playback with less then a third of them.
You take all of your value combos AA-TT,AKo-AQo,AKs-AJs(66), and start adding bluffs for example : ATo,KJo-KTo,QJo-QTo,A5s-A2s,K9s,Q9s,J9s.
For starters your value 3b/5b hands should have at least 50% equity vs his range, and then you add some bluffs i.e Axs which will reduce his weakest 4b/gii to at least breakeven.Optimally you should pick your 3b bluffing range so the ratio of your value hands including 5b bluffs to your bluffing hands is 40/60.
The more he folds, the more bluffs you can add to your range, the more he defends/4b`s you should bluff less.And the more info you have on him, the more you can translate his postflop play (weather he plays fit or fold, x/r`s a lot, stations etc..), into your preflop play and furthermore adjust your ranges by picking the hands for which you think would serve both purposes, get most folds/play best postflop vs his style.
Bottom line, if he plays optimally (or is unknown to you ), you should do the same.If you spot leaks in his game, then you find ways to exploit them.
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