Bad bluff and good call, or good bluff and bad call?
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Bad bluff and good call, or good bluff and bad call?
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players)
MP: $107.76
CO: $66.77
BN: $55.14
SB: $95.05
BB: $50.00 (Hero)
UTG: $56.47
CO: $66.77
BN: $55.14
SB: $95.05
BB: $50.00 (Hero)
UTG: $56.47
Preflop
($0.75)
Hero is BB with
8
T
, , ,
Flop
($2.75)
6
7
J
, , ,
Turn
($8.75)
6
7
J
5
,
River
($24.03)
6
7
J
5
5
,
Final Pot
BN
wins and shows two pair, Jacks and Fives.
BB lost and shows a pair of Fives.
BN wins $73.53
Rake is $2.00
BB lost and shows a pair of Fives.
BN wins $73.53
Rake is $2.00
Hi, so I've been getting called down a lot in similar situations to this hand. I'm starting to feel like I might be making some mistakes, because in this case, like many others, I think that there aren't many combos of bluffs that I have, yet I still get called by hand that even blocks those few bluff combos.
Villain in was playing 4 zoom tables, so I assume they are a reg; I don't have any other reads. A couple of other questions: 1) What does your bluffing range include in this line? 2) Do think sizing is okay or do you think jam would be better?
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This is one of those situations where only you know.
A bluff can be good even if it's immediately money losing if you are under-bluffing in the future and your opponent makes an adjustment to over-call.
A bluff can be bad if your opponent is over-calling and you are over-bluffing.
A bluff is good if your opponent overfolds.
A bluff is neutral if our opponent calls roughly enough to make a bluff 0 EV.
A bluff is good up to a point if our opponent is unknown and we need to create a strategy that maximizes our minimum value.
On betsizing, I think it's unequivocally either smaller on the river, so you can value bet two pair, or bigger. If you had a nut hand would you want to win $10 dollars less?
Thanks for the reply! It has definitely given me a lot of things to think about
+1 Tyler Forrester r.e. betsizing.
Does the average reg in this pool gets to this river spot substantially tighter than optimal play would suggest? How does this affect his range composition? Do you think the average reg is in this pool is capable of making consistent laydowns with his bluffcatchers? Just a few relavent questions.
Ultimately as Tyler said it's a sliding scale thing which trends from +ev to -ev depending on given assumptions.
All good questions to consider, thanks . I haven't played poker seriously in a very long time and just started playing 50NL. This was my first shot at it, so I'm still in the process of get data on these things.
Tyler is a billion times better player than me so whatever he said is the gospel but my first thought was that I wouldn't have picked that river to bluff shove since it counterfeits our most likely two pair we would have raised for value on the flop. When he calls the turn it seems face up that he has a strong J (or better), which would block the more unlikely J6 and J7 combos. Which leaves us representing almost solely 89 and maybe the sets but I would have 3b 77 at least. A call with a J is maybe questionable even still but maybe he had a read on your bluffing tendencies
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