Anyone else at 16-25 nl zoom have these very strange winrates by position
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Anyone else at 16-25 nl zoom have these very strange winrates by position
So I've looked at my Pt4 stats and noticed I basically make 30-45 bb/100 in the bb and sb respectively and lose 28bb/ on the burtton and cutoff. All my profit comes from 3betting sb and bb and cold 4 betting loose sb 3bets. im spewing the most in button and cutoff because im getting all in with jj qq and AK vs people who 3 bet like 17% but somehow always have AA or KK when they 3bet me. Essentially I've had to stop calling opens in the button and cutoff with even hands like 88-TT because people are 3 betting any ace and im unable to get to showdown in one piece on A high boards. lol these guys are flatting my 4 bets with A8 off and smoking my KK all day. In the BB my winrate goes up the less hands I play and emulating anything I see or read about BB defense just really doesn't seem to apply at these stakes.
id like to hear from anyone who has recently went from 10nl zoom to 16-25 on how they adjusted to the aggression. I already feel like a nit and feel like my new strategy of folding even JJ on the button vs 3 bet and 4 betting non standard size like 2.8x with all A and K blocker hands and KQ (which has been working in the last 3 sessions) should't be the answer, but as far as making money is concerned I've had to adopt that strategy. IDK I'm worried that I'm too results oriented but my bankroll can't afford calling 3 bets in position with QJs and AQs only to get stacked every time I hit top pair or lose half my stack calling with pair +FD against overpairs.
So thanks for listening to the ramble. Just like to hear from anyone who has had similar problems and how they overcame them.
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You are missing the most important variable that is gonna determine if what you say can be a real issue or a fictional(result oriented) one, you dont provide us with real data, i mean how many hands are there, if this is all about like 5k-10k hands it could mean nothing. And basically you somehow said that your bankroll can not afford to make certain things with some certain hands, and i wonder is this how someone should approach poker, not taking plus EV lines depending on your bankroll? This should not stand truth but if it is it would also mean that your bankroll would not allow you to be on that limit in the first place anyways. So when you have 88-TT they 3bet any A,but when you have TT-QQ they have only AA KK, but how do they have only AA KK if they flat A8o?
It's about 50k hands of standard like play and now 20k hands of nitfish on the co/button and aggrolag in the blinds. It's going well now and if I was results oriented I' be happy. I just feel like my game is getting worse somehow although I'm doing better. You are right it could be variance but what I really mean is making what most would consider the right play seems to be extremely -ev. As a standard I can't understand why trying to play "correctly" and sizing my 4 bets in standard ways and having a fold to 3bet of 60-70% was torching my bankroll. Like calling double barrells vs cutoff opens in the bb with AJs on dry A high boards because i didn't want to overfold. As far as the hand examples I mentioned is that these guys could have anything from deuces to A8off to AA so unless I am inducing with AA or KK and don't mind getting flatted, set mined or outdrawn standard fourbet sizing and defending against 3bets did not work too good. Since adopting my nitfish overfolding and beating up the bullys with huge 4bets ridicoulously unbalanced frequencies I've had some pretty decent results. This is just my limited experience and It seems fairly unreasonable which is why I'd like to hear other peoples experiences and feelings, adjustments, so on they had to make. Of course the bigger the sample the more trustworthy the info but any experiences and so on will be appreciated.
I thought for myself that people fuck up their 3bets range reaction against a 4bet in almost any kind of spot, specially Bu 4bet against blinds 3bets, but it did not have something to do with my 4bet sizing,I thought they cant play this spot and started 4betting small with blockers and position and that worked well for me 2, what i mean is that i did not implement the huge 4bet but rather just the 4bet so much. But i dont have enough to data to say that this can work on the long run etc. 60-70% fold vs 3bet is folding way too much, and if you fold AJ on the A high and dry board Cutoff vs BB is overfolding even vs the nitty players.If you mean like fold to 2nd barrel on
A 2 9 9 or A 4 8 3 , the tell you need to have to make a fold like this is almost like you asking to see his cards. Of course a lot depend on suits and sizings too
Yea i mean some players I have marked in purple as spewy aggro and i'll call them down light some I have marked as solid reg and if they pot the flop and I have a certain read I'll fold AJ on A25rainbow unless I have a backdoor flush. Super easy to exploit but unless I have reads I play tight and with reads I play accordingly it's working way better. I save mental energy and don't tilt at all. When Im in pots postflop I hum to myself dont call dont bluff over and over again. Some I have marked as thinking player and them I might bluff raise all in on the riv with blockers. I started having different bet sizes for different color coded peeps and all. Also without reads my 4 bet sizing is dependent on country the players from lol.
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