First things that pop up are your flop fold to cbet. 62% oop and 56% IP are way too high. Your Fold to 3bet stat is also way too high.

Also your WWSF is too low which is probably due to your high fold to cbet.

I personally don't feel that bad about my fold to 3bet, since often I open like 100% since I think they fold too much and 3bet like 8%. 

Yeah I agree about that fold to cbet. How would you suggest I start improving this? It is funny like I booked some coaching last week and we discussed ''standard'' defends bb vs minopen button. Luckily enough I did defend those. Sadly enough though I did worse compared to folding...

That's a lot harder to say without taking a much closer look at your game. Maybe filter for that spot in holdem manager where you folded to a flop cbet and try to find some closer spots where you're not sure whether you should have folded or called. Post those hands in this forum and go from there.

Are there any videos out there that cover really specific defends vs cbets? Maybe with the use of flopzilla/crev?

You say you are not too worried about your fold to 3b because you are opening 100%, they fold too much and only 3b 8%. Are you taking these stats from their overall stats? Maybe have a look at their 3b stats vs hero. Opening 100% and folding to 70% of 3b's is extremely exploitable.

Well obviously I don't always open that much, it depends on the guys behind me. I do use the 3bet vs hero indeed. Like sure man it can be a leak, but my button winrate is pretty decent and always has been, and my blind winrate always has been TERRIBLE so thats why I doubt that is my big issue. I just think that giving the pot away post flop again and again is the biggest issue to fix right now.

Isnt your sample too small to tell if your winning or losing. About your fold to cbets, just float more IP even OOP. Also your ch/r is quite low. About the fold23bets. Like yoy said when someone is 3betting you 8% its silly to worry about being exploitated.

Obviously sample is too small but graph looked about the same the 700k hands before that. Like I am a winner at 50nl but like 4bb/100.

Looking for more spots to c/r might be interesting to look at. Currently c/r around 8% and know some good coaches c/r less but maybe at 50nl c/r a lot is better?

Yeah I'd imagine the coaches are playing at a higher level where you wouldn't get away with it but at 50nl when some are opening 50% OTB and CB'ing 60% they are going to have a lot of air in their range and this can be exploited. You could definitely increase that 8% without being too out of line.

Would u like c/r A7o on q76 2tone? 

No, I would play this a bluff catcher especially if villain likes to double barrel. You can't expect to be called by worse so essentially you're turning your hand into a bluff and we don't want that as it has good SD value. Just c/c 2nd pair hands especially BB vs. button.

Is this really good sd value? any K, J, T, 8, 9 is bad for you

Well it would be a good example to run through Flopzilla but when you think of their range they have a much wider range than we do so they are going to have a lot more air. If villain double barrels a lot it might be a good spot to c/r turn. This looks like a very strong line and you have some outs if called. Also, I think you should try think of their range more and how weak it is than worrying about what we have.

That is why I want to c/r. 

Board: Qd7h6s

Equity Win Tie

MP2 69.79% 69.79% 0.00% { A7o }

MP3 30.21% 30.21% 0.00% { JsTs }

W$WSF of 40 is extremely low, you're folding too much after the flop.  I tend to think the low end of W$WSF in most NLHE player pools is around 44-45% for strong players.  Being 5 points below that is a big leak.

Yeah had a feeling that was the case. Figured maybe it wasn't too much of an issue since I open often sb's very wide with tight bb and then c/f a lot, same for opening button and giving up vs tight guys. But yeah will start with wwsf from big blind. Thanks

Update: Started working with a coach, 2 sessions so far. Last 10k hands my wwsf is 44. Not sure how good the sample is but we will see :)

Hello, Insilicio! Happpy for your improvement! Looks like I have the same problem with W$WSF of 40, please share, how you raised it up? Thank you! Best Regards. 

I call more vs cbets now (my coach and I worked hard with flopzilla to analyze spots) and I bluff more rivers. My fold vs cbet went down to 50% IP and 50% OOP. Also I turn more made hands into bluffs on rivers. Like it seems really easy if I explain it this way, but like I never had a clue when to turn made hands into bluffs, what hands to float OOP etc. Also it may seem obvious but we talked a lot about ranges too. Like I heard about it in the past but never really understood it. So basically my coach forces me to put villain more active on ranges. (like what draws does the turn bring for him, what cards improve ur range on turn so when he checks back what hands can you bluff) I think I ''get it'' better now, but clearly LOTS of work to do. Will have some more sessions with him for sure :)

Thank you for your reply, Insilicio! Looks like defending the right amount of range PF, takes you to defend right amount of range post flop and 50% FtoCB seems reasonable now! Good job! My problem was struggling OTT (like you said what draws and cards are helping him OTT), I am happy now that I found it and will work on it! And about on OTR, yes I think you can try to turn into a bluff your bottom perceived range there even if had some SDV. Good luck! Best Regards. 

Would like to get my fold vs cbet IP down to 40 or something like that, but hopefully that will come once my feeling for ranges gets better :)

Also I find that often after a bit of grinding the sharpness to take down small pots becomes less. How do you guys work with that? I know its clearly mental but still interested in approaches.

I already only play 5 tables... 

Last 15k hands wwsf 44.7 :) My fold vs cbet OOP went up to 55% and IP its 48% now. Def feeling good about my game (but also did win which makes that easier) so hopefully this is going to lead to 100nl again. Also the red line is going down a bit less now. That could be variance but if I combine it with those other spots I am def happy.

Did find another big reason for my low wwsf. If you guys want to help me out in this thread I would appreciate it: http://www.runitonce.com/nlhe/epmp-oop-as-pfr/

I do have the same problem from CO, SB problem is not so big (65%)

your main problem all has to do with your red line and the reasons it slops to heavily, I would know mine look alot like that when I first started NLHE online at 10 nl when I learned to fix that then I really shot up..SO work on that the most for now

I know, and its heavily connected to my low wwsf. I think that cbetting Oop as pfr only 45% and then folding over 80% to a stab is one big issue. I think that I am going to cbet more weak hands Oop in spots where people overfold. Seems like most easy solution to me even though some good regs also cbet like 45% oop but defend like 55% vs a stab. Just seems insane hard.

 Other big issue is the high fold to cbet and finally not bluffing enough rivers and maybe low turn cbet. Got other ideas what can be the cause?

So basically that WWSF went up 3 points, but thats about it...

Take a look at how your results in the blinds..How much are you losing BB/100 

Blinds will drag down the red line naturally.. Filter out posted blinds equals false 

Take a look at what the red line looks like then ,should be moving up..

You also might be building pots that your not defending enough.. As well as not fighting aggressively for pots where both ranges have a lot of air and just giving up.

Dunno, I worked some on blind play with my new coach and feeling reasonable there. That said the 600k hands before this I was 10bb EP and 12bb MP. So could be variance maybe?

Allright so decided to show my last 15k hands. Maybe I have other things to work on now. Would be appreciated. Tried posting the images first but was too small so here u have the gyazo links.

http://gyazo.com/f82ec79329c8ff33594228cdf5b0b44b

http://gyazo.com/40a7111e11deb32039ea96cf1714922e

Yep..preflop you are folding vs 3 bet to high..not defending enough by 4 betting.. That is taking a hit on your red line..start reconstruction of your 3\4\5 betting ranges to get them balance to indifference equilibrium.

Take a closer look as to how much you must really defend your ranges to stop villains from auto profiting by raising ATC

If you found this helpful just click like:-) 

Are u sure that fold vs 3bet matters? Like I often use my hud and 3bet vs hero and don't see what I am doing wrong there lol. Feel its more post flop like Sauce said.

Yes it matters.. Its not terrible high or anything.. However if you fold more then 67% villain auto profits ATC..mine is 62%..some strong players I play with are even like 58%..

Your 4b is less then 2%. To tight..that's fine for the micros.. Small stakes however your losing aton of value..the way you fold to 3b and only defend by 4bing 2% is very easy to exploite..stop calling as wide and add some if those hands to your 4 b bluff range..

Edir : to defend vs 3 bets..Hope this help and gl:-) 

Sorry for the grammer typing to fast..

If those guys 3bet vs hero like 8% I just dont get why I would want to defend more. 

Will watch some Nick Howard then and maybe start with crev for flops. What do you guys think about that?

I always listen to other opinions its more that I like to fully understand why certain plays are good or bad. In case u guys think I refuse to listen I am sorry for that.

Regular blue first two points are very important and I probably should have mentioned it myself..however its there now :-) 

Arizona's post is very knowledge base as usual.

Having recently read the comments in Toy Gaming 4 and a few other threads, it seems we can fold more than 1-A on most flops (unless i misunderstand something).

With this in mind, what fold to flop cbet stat are you aining for? What has your coach told you looks good?

To the best of my knowledge the 1-a defense frequency is most applicable on the river when hand values are static and it is a perfectly polarized vs bluff catcher spot. So not something that comes up very often in real life. This doesn't mean 1-a is not valuable though, it just means it is not the be all and end all. There are going to situations on early streets where you are going to want to defend more than 1-a and spots where you can defend less than 1-a. Which spots? How do we know when we can do more or less folding? I don't know - someone much better versed in theory would have to answer, someone like Game Theory could give a better answer. 

Everything about poker is kind of messy and there are no shortcuts and no magic formulas. It is my guess that we can defend more when the board favors us and less when it favors villain. This is also going to depend on how we defend - it is also my guess that if we defend mostly by calling we need to defend a little more because we aren't denying villain any equity share and are giving the worst hands in his range a free look at the next card(s). I think using 1-a as a starting point can do wonders for your game though, how many combos would you have to defend to hit 1-a exactly on a XYZ flop? OK - x amount of combos looks like this in my range - now who does this flop favor? If it favors me by a good amount I will add a few more combos, am I only calling? Then I add a few more. Does it favor villain by a significant amount? OK - I can take a few away, am I raising a lot? Maybe I can take away a few more? 

Again - someone other than myself will have to give you more exact answers, these are just the kinds of things I am currently thinking about when I think about poker and poker theory. Take it w/ a grain of salt and good luck!

One more thing I would like to add for Insilicio in particular and everyone in general. A negative red line is not necessarily bad. Many many good players have a negative sloping red line and I have often heard that this is bad - sure it could be but a rising redline could be a big indicator of trouble too. Red line and blue line doesn't really mean much and the green line is the only one that matters. I know I spent a lot of time trying to "fix" my red line and it is time I will never get back, it is time I could have been using to fix actual leaks in my game. I heard Tyler Forrester mention he has a negative sloping red line and asked him about this, he quickly informed me how wrong it is to think a red line shows a leak or other wise. I will come back and link to that thread in a minute.

edit: The link I promised (red line discussion)

Oh yeah I did read that already as well, and I really dont worry much about it. But I do know that I play around 2bb/100 and that my fold vs cbet is way too high and wwsf way too low. So it seems all is pretty correlated. Also my bb/100 red line is insane tanking and ratio blue/red is almost one since I am pretty much break even. I want to solve the wwsf and fold to cbet and tbh I suspect red line will go up (go down less) automatically, and if not that is also fine. I just play ´too weak´ post flop and that is what I try to work on.

I think so too Danshiel. Asked in vid request thread for some ´basic´ crev vids for this, so who knows :)

I want to reiterate that you are folding far too often to 3-bets. This is especially true as your opening frequencies (aside from BTN/SB) are certainly on the tighter side of things.

It looks like you are check folding too often as the PFR for your CB frequency. 

Thanks man. Did write it down again and will def have a look at it. For now the focus will be on the checkfolding and defending vs cbets, but will def look at the fold to 3bet after that.

Will discuss this with my coach, thanks! :)

Moved up to 100nl, running hot so far so life is easy. Also doing more and more work with CREV so hopefully it will pay off

Sure, pm me ur skype please. Looking forward to it

It is not even funny. Last 15k hands the fold vs cbet is super high again. 

Could be some spots where your just over folding abit..you may just need to find some more floats.. look closer at the regs and see what board texture you can float on against. 

U really think this is ''a bit''?

Discussed my issues with a good reg and he advised to work on play as pfr first. Going to work really hard on this with vids and crev to see why coaches do what they do, keep you guys updated.