yup to flatting three bet with AKo against three bet, enviorments at these stakes are three beting this spot like 4-5% or something close too....

Can't only 4bet AA and KK...

I beg to differ from UTG , cant really get it in vs 5-bet so essenatially your turning a strong hand into a bluff.
My V region here is KK+, sometimes QQ/AKs depending on 3 bettor

fwiw CBing 1/3-1/2PSB is a viable option OTF, any goingg for a tripple barells would be sexy as Fok.
As played --> weak

not sure I understand... so from UTG, your 4bet range is AA, KK and a number of bluffs? Which means your 4bets UTG include way more combos of bluff hands, which means I could technically 5 bet shove any 2 and show a profit since you'd fold too often.

Which if I'm 5 bet shoving often, you should be easily be calling with at least QQ+, AK - so that would need to be in your range.

If you're ever going to 4bet bluff from UTG, wouldn't that mean you need QQ+, AK in your range?

And if you're not going to 4bet bluff from UTG, but only have AA and KK as value, then your opps are always correct to fold anything except AA. (They'd fold KK correctly because of blockers making your hand AA too often)

I totally get that some percent of the time you should call with big hands vs 3bet, I just don't understand a strategy that always calls with it.

so from UTG, your 4bet range is AA, KK and a number of bluffs? Which means your 4bets UTG include way more combos of bluff hands

If you're betting the same amount of bluffs as you bet value hands I see no problem here?
Just because your value range is tight doesn't mean you automatically over bluff. Also if your opponent folds to 4-bets a lot then flat calling AK and instead bluff raising some worse hands becomes a better strategy.
I.e. if villain is folding dominated aces to your 4-bet a lot then flatting AK and keeping those dominated aces in villain's range is very high value

"Just because your value range is tight doesn't mean you automatically
over bluff."

Ok I'm new here and really am trying to learn. In my experience, people don't make calculations and 4bet the same range, they do more "in the moment" reads and turn hands into a bluff. So unless your strategy is to 4bet bluff only 22 or 33, or exactly 24 combos of other hands, I see people 4bet bluff with all sorts of hands. At least from watching videos online.

Which makes sense. They fold all the time to 4bets, so lets bluff more than optimal. That makes sense to me.

"Also if your opponent folds to 4-bets a lot then flat calling AK and
instead bluff raising some worse hands becomes a better strategy.
I.e. if villain is folding dominated aces to your 4-bet a lot then
flatting AK and keeping those dominated aces in villain's range is
very high value"

Yeah I get that sounds nice to keep worse hands in his range, but this is where I don't understand the why behind it. If that's true, why would you ever 4bet for value against someone who folds often to 4bets? If keeping AK in is good, then keeping AA and KK in must be good as well. They dominate plenty of hands opp could be 3betting with, and will likely get several worse hands to barrel into them as Cbets, etc. Winning big bets from hands that would have folded pre.

That's what I don't get. The same reasons you give for one hand, apply to another - but see no problem in raising those.

So why ever value 4bet vs them? Just 4bet bluff and call all your best hands. Right? They won't know you're only 4bet bluffing cause they fold and never see what you're doing.

And if their 5bet range is so tight, that it truly makes sense to fold AKo (AA KK only), there really aren't that many hands willing to get it all in when you have AA.