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AJs

BB: $25
UTG: $25
HJ: $32.97
CO: $13.26
BN: $21.76
SB: $27.25 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.35) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt J A
UTG raises to $0.75, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, Hero calls $0.65, BB folds
Flop ($1.75) 6 J 4 (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $3, UTG calls $2
Turn ($7.75) 6 J 4 5 (2 Players)
Hero bets $6.20, UTG calls $6.20
River ($20.15) 6 J 4 5 8 (2 Players)
Hero bets $17.30, and is all in, UTG calls $15.05, and is all in
Final Pot
Hero has J A UTG has 8 6 UTG wins $47.74
Wtf moment, would i ever put him on this hand?

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Parker Muir 12 years, 3 months ago
Hey Damian,

Ideally you don't want to include the results of the hand history when posting it, so that the people responding won't have any results bias in their analysis and suggestions. I know that in this case your question is "how could we have know he has 86s in his range?" but it's still best to post the HH without results and then bring up this question after a few people respond.

To answer your question though, we definitely do not expect an unknown to show up with 86s ever here since we expect a standard UTG opening range to be much tighter than that. One way we may have seen this coming is if we had a stat for his UTG Open % and it was above ~23%. However poker is a game of incomplete information and all we can do is now adjust our game knowing that he is opening UTG much wider than we expected. Ways to exploit this would be 3b bluffing his UTG opens more, giving his cbets from UTG less credit, etc.

As far as your line goes, I prefer to check call the flop with your hand. The reason is that we are still operating under the assumption that he has a tight UTG opening range. Against this type of range, a check-raise will isolate us against all of his stronger hands, only a few weaker ones and fold out all of his bluffing hands. Too many times we get our stack in against a range of overpairs, sets and big draws while getting folds (usually by the river) from hands like TT, QJ and JT.







James Hudson 12 years, 3 months ago
Let's start with preflop, seen as it's the first street! I think calling here is ok as long as the UTG player isn't really tough but it's certainly fine to just fold in this spot too. Once you get to the flop it seems pretty optimistic to turn what is, essentially, a good bluff catcher with a redraw into a value check raise versus what is probably a strong range. I know you happened to get called by a 6x hand but readless i don't think you should expect that to happen even at low stakes.

Once you get to the turn betting or check calling both seem like decent options. Once we get to the river there's almost no chance that you're getting called by worse so you've gone from check raising for thin value versus a tight range to turning your hand into a bluff which is a pretty bizarre line to take unless you have a good feel for your opponent. If you're goal is to fold out better hands I think he likely calls with sets and sometimes even two pair given that the flush draw bricked. I do, however, think it's fairly likely that he can find a fold with overpairs but if you thought that overpairs were a big chunk of his range then the flop play doesn't make a ton of sense.

Remember that preflop ranges are INCREDIBLY important when considering our postflop options.
MasaKrisT 12 years, 3 months ago
Love cover of the hand Parker and James did. C/c all streets is option i like too. Just wanna ask James about this sentence "I think calling here is ok as long as the UTG player isn't really tough but it's certainly fine to just fold in this spot too."

I am low stakes player so maybe I don't understand it well, but why would we ever fold AJs in SB unless he is really nitty? If he opens just 10% we have at least flip in most cases? I would fold it only if he opens something like 5-6% from UTG, or am I wrong?
James Hudson 12 years, 3 months ago
It's possible that I'm overly tight in this spot BUT it's tough to play a hand like this oop vs a tight range vs a good aggressive opponent. If we're in position I flat this all day everyday because we can float, control the size of the pot, bluff raise easier etc. Also, I'm definitely down for calling if we're going multiway.
Kimi 12 years, 3 months ago
I play exactly the same as James said, i prefer folding vs calling here unless UTG is really loose. MasaKrist you r gonna have really hard time playing AJs OOP vs UTG strong range.

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