AJ in 3 bet pot. Check behind turn?

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AJ in 3 bet pot. Check behind turn?

***** Hand History for Game 5312613049359 ***** (On Game)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 14, 10:47:16 ET 2013
Table Galveston (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 3: rosa ras 8 ( $130.50 USD )
Seat 4: Muriton ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 7: Djoko1980 ( $189.33 USD )
Seat 8: mdmd5051 ( $139.61 USD )
Seat 9: Beep1maJeep ( $154.83 USD )
Seat 10: Batmanloop ( $175.24 USD )
Beep1maJeep posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Batmanloop posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Djoko1980 [ Jh Ad ]
rosa ras 8 raises [$4.00 USD]
Muriton folds
Djoko1980 raises [$10.00 USD]
mdmd5051 folds
Beep1maJeep folds
Batmanloop folds
rosa ras 8 calls [$6.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 6s, 4c ]
rosa ras 8 checks
Djoko1980 bets [$14.00 USD]
rosa ras 8 calls [$14.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
rosa ras 8 checks

Villian is playing 43/29-1.5 over 132 hands. WTSD is 28 %. Raise 1st is 50 % from UTG. He's folding 20 % to 3 bets.
So far in 3 bet pots, he has been folding 75 % to cbets (out of 4). Even though he might be a fish preflop, he seem to be playing okay postflop.

Should we bet or check here? Note that we started the hand 130 bbs deep. Can we fold to a shove if we bet?

What are your thoughts?

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BigFiszh 12 years ago
http://wt.ag/ZnbFoD

Ongame Network $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2154099
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: $130.50
MP: $100.00
Hero (CO): $189.33
BTN: $139.61
SB: $154.83
BB: $175.24

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with Jh Ad
UTG raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, 3 folds, UTG calls $6

Flop: ($21.50) Jd 6s 4c (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $14.00, UTG calls $14

Turn: ($49.50) Td (2 players)
UTG checks

If you bet and he shoves you should definitely fold. That said, I´m not sure if your hand is strong enough to 3-bet this guy - as you can see in this hand - where you got problems to go for 3 streets of value. It really depends on him 4-betting QQ+ and how light he´ll call you down oop. I´d bet turn (and fold to a raise) and probably bet river.
WM2K 12 years ago
I like 3 betting here. Villains range is easily wide enough and we have position. Bombs away. Otherwise I agree.
James Hudson 12 years ago
With a 28% wtsd and a 20% fold to 3 bet over your sample I think this is a pretty clear turn bet.
daddy80 12 years ago
@James.

What about his high fold to cbets in 3 bet pots (75 % so far)? Doesn't seem like he is playing a lot more tight postflop than preflop.
James Hudson 12 years ago
It's only 4 instances so far so we shouldn't throw all other considerations out. Also, you have a pretty strong value hand here vs someone who gets to the flop so wide.
daddy80 12 years ago
I also felt that turn was a mandatory bet, but then this happend:

***** Hand History for Game 5312613049359 ***** (On Game)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, March 14, 10:47:16 ET 2013
Table Galveston (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 3: rosa ras 8 ( $130.50 USD )
Seat 4: Muriton ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 7: Djoko1980 ( $189.33 USD )
Seat 8: mdmd5051 ( $139.61 USD )
Seat 9: Beep1maJeep ( $154.83 USD )
Seat 10: Batmanloop ( $175.24 USD )
Beep1maJeep posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Batmanloop posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Djoko1980 [ Jh Ad ]
rosa ras 8 raises [$4.00 USD]
Muriton folds
Djoko1980 raises [$10.00 USD]
mdmd5051 folds
Beep1maJeep folds
Batmanloop folds
rosa ras 8 calls [$6.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 6s, 4c ]
rosa ras 8 checks
Djoko1980 bets [$14.00 USD]
rosa ras 8 calls [$14.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
rosa ras 8 checks
Djoko1980 bets [$30.00 USD]
rosa ras 8 raises [$85.00 USD]
WM2K 12 years ago
Why do you insist on posting the raw HH? It's really hard to read and there's many options for converting it into something legible.

Ya so he raised and now it's a fold. Well played and nice hand.
WM2K 12 years ago
I ve been using weaktight.com and all you do you make an account and post your hand in the post hand box. Click submit and it brings you to a page where you can see your HH converted in their format. On the right theres a list of options like hiding names, 4 color deck, stopping the action at the point of interest etc. So chose what you like. Then just above the HH theres a list of formats. wt,raw,2p2 etc.. Chose CSS and copy/paste whatever comes up into a post here. Its going to look like a load of nonsense that but when you post it here the website understands it. Then just post your reads/thoughts underneath whatever you posted from weaktight.

This is my favorite way of doing it. You can use the converter they have here on RiO but it doesnt process ongame HHs very well for whatever reason.

http://www.runitonce.com/nlhe/mptk-facing-cr-from-pfr-bvb-100nl/

This is what it should look like in the end.

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