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AA vs KK everytime?

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AA vs KK everytime?

Blinds: $1.00/$2.00 (6 Players) BN: $380.49 (Hero)
SB: $198.00
BB: $348.50
UTG: $357.87
MP: $208.25
CO: $203.60
Preflop ($3.00) Hero is BN with A A
UTG raises to $6.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to $21.00, 2 folds, UTG raises to $64.00, Hero raises to $107.00, UTG calls $43.00
Flop ($217.00) 5 8 2
UTG checks, Hero bets $70.70, UTG calls $70.70
Turn ($358.40) 5 8 2 9
UTG checks, Hero checks
River ($358.40) 5 8 2 9 K
UTG bets $180.17 and is all in, Hero calls $180.17

Soo villain opens 18% and has an overall 4betrange of 5%

Sooo...

Preflop is weird
From how I think of him he does that with AA and KK for value and then probably with some kind of AJ, Axs, KQo random stuff at pretty hidden frequencies since it is such a rare spot/line...

Overall I feel shoving here is a little bit too "obvious" overall dare I say!?..

So is reraising... kind of since I think there is almost no room for much reraise/folding....

Given his unknown and kind of very probably mixed strategy of randomly 4betting so big with "something" I felt uncomfortable just calling this deep and clicked it back which I sometimes also do as a pure bluff...

OTF I like my play

OTT it is like whatevery - we can shove our AA face up and hope he still calls KK, raptorbetting again is an option but I think that in this tight spot with these tight ranges even that is kind of "easy to play against"!?...

Since there is no flushdraw and any type of ambitiously played suited connector like 67, 89 has me beat anyways I thought that fake-"capping" my range a little bit might be more +EV than just getting it in on the turn to maybe let him catch a K with AK, or, more importantly, let him spazz out w AK on a blank?!?...

On the river I cry but I call - right?

Do I think too much on the turn and should just be happy about the setup?

But I really think he can fold KK on the turn....

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Dddogkillah 8 years, 1 month ago

let him catch a K with AK, or, more importantly, let him spazz out w AK on a blank?!?...
On the river I cry but I call - right?

If thats your plan why we crying??

Probably pretty close if you weight combos of AK that would call pre flop, and weigh some more that would of folded OTF (maybe not).
Me myself I imagine in the click back spot would hesitate and call some Axs that I was bluffing with as well as KK and all AK that I 4-bet (which I dont do often) . OTF id call those GS/ bottom pair+BDFD and probably bluff them when I got this river action.

But I think the answer will hinge on how much Kx he actually gets to this spot with and if you think he fires them on river. 2 combos and a bluff its going to be a slam dunk. Just need to get on board with getting dicked down by KK xD.

Id probably 5 bet bigger, get SPR lower so we can rip flop, or rip the turn fwiw.

jpg7n16 8 years, 1 month ago

If you 5bet to $120-130 pre, there's just 1 PSB left to go. Doesn't feel that different, but makes it easier to play. Is he really going to call 1/3 of his stack, then fold JJ-KK on a low flop to a PSB? I don't think so. By the time he calls you, he's committed himself to the pot.

I also believe that is true by him calling the flop bet of $70. He's put 1/2 his stack in. He's committed. Therefore you bet turn, cause he's committed.

I don't get your logic to not bet turn. He's so good he'll fold KK on turn, but not good enough to fold pre or on flop? I'd put him in the spot to make the tough fold. As you played it, you didn't give him the option of making a mistake and putting more in.

DatpKay 8 years, 1 month ago

I get all that - but he is competent... and I feel that is

I really think he can fold KK on the turn because he splits or is behind - there really are almost 0 Hands I click back and would then try to 'bluff' against his obvious AA/KK ...
but mb I am just overthinking this... I mean I know he has a 2 outer on the turn and most often I think I get his stack on the river anyways, just unlucky - moneys gonna come back

miami002 8 years, 1 month ago

I kind of like this slowplay OTT, sometimes you just have to play tricky to get your opponents all stack. I feel this is a pretty safe flop to do that against his pre-flop 4-betting range. Just little bit unlucky this time!

aamadeo 8 years, 1 month ago

OTF what is your range? You have some bluffs right, the thing is you don't have many bluffs right, so betting a little bigger OTF to comfortably shove turn seems OK, the thing is you would probably want to bluff shove the turn, I think they might have to call KK here OTT.

Would you play this way with KK or AK?? If that the case, I think you might consider folding AA on this spot, you block suited wheel aces, in this spot AK might be higher EV than AA.

It's a pretty weird spot, the thing is that when you clickback the 6bet, what is your range?? AA or you going crazy with some weird hand xD ? It looks a lot like you just have AA, and AA alone, and in that case I'd rather shove turn.

DatpKay 8 years, 1 month ago

OTF I honestly don't know - given reads I sometimes would do that with ~45s, 67s, 55 as plays against what I think is a highish frequency of 'plays' on his side and then just AA and with VERY specifif reads w KK I guess.

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