A really tough spot vs a NIT 50NL Zoom 6Max
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A really tough spot vs a NIT 50NL Zoom 6Max
BN: $52.23
SB: $60.40
BB: $60.88
UTG: $65.71
HJ: $56.39 (Hero)
CO: $218.26
SB: $60.40
BB: $60.88
UTG: $65.71
HJ: $56.39 (Hero)
CO: $218.26
Preflop
($0.75)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
Q
Q
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO folds, BN folds, SB raises to $5, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO folds, BN folds, SB raises to $5, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50
Flop
($10.75)
9
8
3
(2 Players)
SB bets $5,
Hero calls $5
Turn
($20.75)
9
8
3
3
(2 Players)
SB checks,
Hero bets $10.76,
SB raises to $50.40, and is all in,
Hero calls $35.63, and is all in
He is 15/11/af2.6/3bet3.4 483 hands
Me 25/21/af2.0/3bet11.5 F3 70 1.2k hands
I expect him to lead turn with AA/KK so I decided to bet there, I feel like he gave me no choice and low and behold, he CRAI me.
Then I remember that he could be one of those nits that does that on turn. I think this spot is really tough because I'm basically a lag vs someone like this and to him conceivably I could bet draws/worse on turn while he holds something like JJ/TT or he could just do it to me with AA/KK also.
Thoughts?
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3b GII preflop imo. Even if he really only has a 3b% of 3.4 QQ is top 2.5% of hands. Highly doubt it would be -ev to 4b stack off QQ in this spot. As played I call turn. His range probably will look something like overs + FD, and TT+. I would expect him to just barrel turn and barrel river with his FH as he doesn't need to x/r to GII by the river when he has the nuts here. I'm pretty sure we have enough equity vs a range of like AQcc, AKcc, and TT+ to make this a profitable call. Don't have time to run it through PPT right now though
i see no point in calling this off when u are scared preflop to 4 bet his range is still heavyly weighted to AA and KK which dont wanna see another club. For me this line looks stronger than a preflop jam. In this spot i think folding is the right play the only hands in his range that check/raises this turn are Akcc or AQcc +AA and KK think we are crushed here. prefer much more to 4 bet preflop and get it in than paying him off here.
On the turn I think a bet is ok to get value from JJ and protection against AK but once he c/r his range is like AKcc, heavily discounted JJ(like 1 or 2 combos), and all combos of KK-AA so fold to the c/r is best. It would also be important to take a note that he goes for c/shove in similar spots so we should check back and pot control QQ-JJ and also check and take free cards with our draws in future hands.
Is it so rare, that someone check/shoves AK there? I would not do that always, but in that case i´m ahead of any straight and most flush draws and sometimes villan folds 9x, TT-QQ, cause his move looks so strong...
If he does it with TT then it's almost like he turns his hand into a bluff there. Even JJ is not looking that great if a tag starts thinking about calling it off vs the turn CRAI.
I don´t think he does it with TT or JJ, but i think he does it with AK (or at least should do it)
i probably gii pre.
as played, i'm not folding
Yeah, I think we have to call this.
Just fold it's not worth giving him the extra $30+. He's a NIT, he's 3 bet your MP open, bet flop then raised the Turn. He's got AA or KK here and to be honest I think it's more likely AA. Nit's are not bluffing very often and even if this is the very rare time he does he's not doing it enough or without decent equity (NFD) for folding to be a leak imo. I'm also sure as hell not GII pre without some decent read, sure his 3 bet is 3.4 but what is it vrs EP/MP?
I agree with this 100%.
His vs MP 3bet is 3.0. His Total 3bet is 3.3 and His Total 3bet vs Hero is 5.0 at 510 hands. It seems I picked up a bit more hands on him since we last met.
Thank you all for comments.
So, he took his time before CRAIing on me on turn and while that could mean good or bad for me but given the dynamic that we had going and from my understanding of how a very tight player plays his range on this kind of textures on turn, I decided to make the call. Well, I could lost the hand but I would still say the same thing.... lol
nh sir.
i think there's something interesting to be said about under-repping QQ pf here. given that he likely sees you as a LAG (as mentioned), he also likely discounted QQ+ from your range when you called his 3b. So, from his perspective, unless you spiked a set, he pretty much has the nuts.
Do you think this line is a tell? i.e. is he trying to shut down the hand or just his way of capturing value (and would play the hand the same way with KK, AA)?
Some nits just don't know how to play postflop particularly the river and for that reason they play the turn poorly, but I don't believe he is one of those nits and by that I'm saying he is alright postflop skill wise so here in this hand, I think I just threw him off a little bit by not 4betting QQ pre and by him checking on turn which could've been a mistake or if he meant to probe my reaction with it then my bet in position might seem like a bluff stab or more likely a range worse than JJ that has enough equity to call off the CRAI and at that point if I ended up with +QQ then it's "Oh, Well" for him. So, I don't think it's much of a tell except for raise/shoving a difficult turn which is a classic nit's move but I SERIOUSLY doubt he takes this line with +KK.
thx for the insight Carl!
i think that it was probably close w/o a bet-size read (say he has JJ, TT, 88, 99, Kk, AA, and some semi-bluffs like NFD, JT, etc,). So given that the bet size helps remove most hands beating you, it's def a call.
Does this almost become a rule: QQ isn't so far ahead in a 4b/gii situation, but can it cause this crai spewage from an overplayed TT-JJ? (whereas a bet-bet-bet situation is a fold?)
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