87c on Qc4d5d board - $3/$5

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87c on Qc4d5d board - $3/$5

$3/$5 game. Main villain UTG+1 plays a tag style, but over cbets even multiway. Villain two in the CO was the player I was targeting in this hand playing over 80% of his hands. Effective stacks hero $435 in this hand. Usually I top off constantly, but for mindset reasons I was stacking my chips where I don't know if I am up or down and figured I was around $500 at the time.

UTG+1 opens $25, CO calls $25, hero SB 8c7c calls.
Flop ($80) Qc4d5d
hero ($410) checks, EP ($700) bets $35, co folds, hero calls.

Hero's thoughts
*His bet size is a little on the small size here and I find this is a spot I could check raise as he would likely to bet $40-$60 with with his made hands. I was ranging him at this time on some draw or middle pocket pair. Preflop if CO had folded I would just fold here oop vs a 5bb open, but was trying to play more hands against the fun player.

Turn ($150) Qc4d5d2c
Hero ($375) checks, UTG+1 bets $70, Hero raises to $220 with $155 behind.

Hero's thoughts
Villain calls and we go to the river. When he just calls my turn raise it looks like diamond draw, KQ or AQ here. Due to his flop sizing I am leaning more towards a draw, so need a non diamond river, make my hand or have some sdv i.e 8 or 7, or a brick.

River ($590) Qc 4d 5d 2c 2s
Hero all in $155, UTg+1 ?

Hero's thoughts
I figured my range here for making this play is
44 (3), 55 (3), AQd (1), 76cd (2), 87cd (2) A3cd (2). I guess I could throw in some A4c, A5c as well, but they have some SDV.

What other value / bluffs would you include in this line? On the turn I need 50% folds with $220 in the pot and I'm check raising to $220.

How's my line and sizing? Criticism welcomed.

Thanks RI2

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SnowAndFire 5 years, 11 months ago

Main villain UTG+1 plays a tag style, but over cbets even multiway.

One of the most profitable mental notes you can make in poker.

Villain two in the CO was the player I was targeting in this hand playing over 80% of his hands.

Is UTG+1 c-betting too often because players are too passive? One thing you should consider as it may build onto the meta-game later on in a session. eg if you start attacking his c-betting too often and he wants to counter you

Effective stacks hero $435 in this hand.

Likely not deep enough to be flatting 87s out of the SB vs a 5x raise. You are OOP and versus an aggressive reg. The fish makes it better but versus fish you want to be 1.) IP 2.) Playing big cards as these play better versus ATC than suited connectors

*His bet size is a little on the small size here and I find this is a spot I could check raise as he would likely to bet $40-$60 with with his made hands. I was ranging him at this time on some draw or middle pocket pair.

Be careful about putting players on absolute ranges due to your reads. It is better to say "I think it is slightly more likely he has draws in his range due to this read." but do not be absolute about it. Just use a heavier weight.

Flop ($80) Qc4d5d

Your range has some very strong hands here. If you want to continue the best option is likely raise flop and shove club or 6 turns. Players will have a hard time dealing with a flop x/r. Most will over-fold if you make it $125.

Turn ($150) Qc4d5d2c
Hero ($375) checks, UTG+1 bets $70, Hero raises to $220 with $155 behind.

Shove here. Do not call. Double-suited board really wants you to over-bet. You have sets and straights here so there is no reason this hand should be a small raise. Besides the small raise making no sense it gives him good odds to call.

River ($590) Qc 4d 5d 2c 2s
Hero all in $155, UTg+1 ?

River he has to call a ton because his odds are so good. Should have shoved the turn.

Overall I would say that you are playing too passive and fishy. Tighten up your ranges OOP and be more aggressive.

RunItTw1ce 5 years, 11 months ago

Thanks SnowAndFire I thought the small XR would look stronger and a check jam would look more like a draw, so went with smaller sizing. Initial thought was to check jam the turn. Would you ever squeeze this spot preflop or just stick to higher cards due to the fish in MP? Live players do fold a ton to 3bets in general once it reaches $100+ (20bb). I find under $100, they limp call, even for $70, hands like 88 and J10s.

SnowAndFire 5 years, 11 months ago

Don't think too much about "what it looks like" when picking a sizing. Just pick the size that you would with value hands. This will end up looking to your opponents like you have value. You may be over-thinking it which is causing you to make mistakes. If they are over-folding to 3bets then make this squeezing range one pip wider...

Squeezing range vs utg1 and fish in CO would be something like [77+, AQo+, AJs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs]. No suited connectors. From SB you should be squeezing rather linear. Being shallow makes this much more the case.

If they fold too much then I would squeeze [77+, AJo, ATs+, KTs, QJs, JTs]. You dont want to get out of line when exploiting players as counter-strategies are more costly than initial exploits make you.

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