77 BU vs BB on wet board

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77 BU vs BB on wet board

Blinds: $0.01/$0.02 (6 Players) BN: $2.24 (Hero)
SB: $3.20
BB: $4.54
UTG: $5.72
MP: $2.01
CO: $2.35
Preflop ($0.03) Hero is BN with 7 7
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.04, SB folds, BB calls $0.02
Standard open and size I think, BB which is unknown, calls possibly with a very wide range except big pairs or big broadways
Flop ($0.09) 8 9 6
BB checks, Hero bets $0.07, BB calls $0.07
The flop is why I posted here, so pay more attention here than turn please. It is very wet and villain can connect a lot here. But we also have a draw and a pair, although the pair is possibly not good. What do we do here?
Turn ($0.23) 8 9 6 6
BB checks, Hero bets $0.11, BB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.19
I think he may have a fd, sd (which is fine sice I block it hard) and posiibly sets or trips. I got 8 outs to the posibble nut straight though and with villains assumed range I have well over 40% equity so I think calling is fine. The rest is irrelevant

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PrankCallRiver 5 years, 1 month ago

Open size is not standart, especially OTB and especially at micros, because of high rake you should increase your sizing, it will effect how wide BB will defend by quite a bit, so I would at least 2.5x it.

OTF after min raise, you should be very careful, because BB will have all offsuit str8's and you won't, he will have most sets, and many more 2p's than you, so betting frequency in such spot is likely to be like 30% or so, decent amount of overpairs and 2p's should mix check backs in this spot. I think 77's can mix in some bets, but still mostly just check.

Turn bet seems like a big punt, you're not getting called by worse enough nor have enough backup equity to justify betting, plus you're not getting better hands to fold with such sizing, at least bet big then if u're bluffing so you may get some folds from better hands, and decrease raise frequency from BB

Eurocrat 5 years, 1 month ago

When I read the thread I wondered whether you bet for value or as a bluff? In spots where it gets blurry, it's probably a good idea to consider a check. In this spot on the flop, I would check and see what develops. You have some showdown equity and an OESD, so quite some runouts will be fine for you.

I think the same applies for the turn spot, just more pronounced.

DNegs98 5 years, 1 month ago

In terms of the micros this way of conceptualising poker is fine but value bets and bluffs don't really exist in theory until the river, your hand is more defined by its equity and nut potential.

forCarlotta 5 years, 1 month ago

Eurocrat

I like more Janda's reasons about betting rather then just bet for value/bluff.
He argue that we bet for two main reasons:
1. Win more with out good hands
2. Prevent villain to realize his equity

At first they seem a way to complicate things but the thing is, the two aren't mutual exclusive.

In the spot above, betting build the pot in case we hit our straight and prevent some villain's holding to realize their equity for free.

Eurocrat 5 years, 1 month ago

Those are fair points indeed and I agree I was oversimplifying things a bit.

That being said, there are only 16 overcards that really bother us on the turn, so I'm not yet convinced that is of so much concern. As concerns building the pot, I doubt that we will be able to extract much value when we hit anyway, so again I'm not sure it applies here in this specific spot.

checky 5 years, 1 month ago

Thoughts on checking back flop? Seems like it's a good spot to call Turn and you don't want to call a flop check raise.

DNegs98 5 years, 1 month ago

yeah but there's also EV in letting villain bluff into you. On the one hand I really like high betting frequencies particularly on the flop at micros as people don't x/r enough or punish your very weak check back range but on the other you do just have a really nice hand to check down because you do want to have some 7x when the board 4 straights after a check back and this is a pretty good one to use.

checky 5 years, 1 month ago

I was pretty much going to comment exactly what DNegs98 is saying - you want to give your opponents a chance to bluff and you don't want to get raised off your medium strength hands. The "overcard scare" mentality kind of goes a way once you play many hands of holdem as you get more familiar with how often your opponents have air vs how often their overcards are hitting. It's less of an issue than you'd think. In other words, when they bet turn after you check back flop, they have bluffs more than they have hands that hit something on the turn (on average). Hope that helps.

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