5/10: Trun decision with strong draw ip

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5/10: Trun decision with strong draw ip

HJ: $1112
CO: $1135 (Hero)
BN: $1000
SB: $1204
BB: $1484
Hey guys
here is a hand where im curious about your turnplay + plans on the river
villain seems to be a decent, i havent played in the past (since im not playing much atm) but this day we already built up a lot of history because we started a lot of tables, where he won like 3 stacks in the beginning but lost a lot in the last hour (i think hes definitely a little bit on tilt, not sure how much it effects him though)
he was opening 32% from mp after 600 hands and is cbetting 75% overall...
Preflop ($15.00) (5 Players)
Hero was dealt T A
HJ raises to $30, Hero calls $30, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds
Flop ($75.00) 7 6 4 (2 Players)
HJ bets $50, Hero raises to $140, HJ calls $90
i decided to raise his cbet, because he wasnt cbetting the turn very often (44%), so i want to have a wider flopraisingrange and i think he has a wide enough bluff3bettingrange here to make a 4betshove profitable. my size is rather on the smaller site, but is definitely enough to stack off easily with 2 more bets...
Turn ($355.00) 7 6 4 8 (2 Players)
HJ checks
on the turn im now interested about your play:
would you check back to draw to 12 nutouts + the ace, and maybe rep sets that slowed down on the turn and valuebet
or would you bet, to get him off all overpairs on the turn already, but with the risk of getting raised off our strong draw (or bet big enough to be able to stackoff...)? what are your plans on the river if he calls our bet?
note that he was opening quite wide in mp, so there are all 55, 65s, 75s and 54s combos in his range

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allwind 12 years, 2 months ago
I think a big problem about betting the turn here is it is difficult for both of you to rep the 5. So if he has 2 pair he might chose a XC XC line for turn and river, reading you are polarised. I also think you can get owned by other FD. Like the only FDs you want to get it in against are KQs KJs QJs J9s. There are many other FD out there, that has you beaten right now.

I think if he had an over pair on the flop, perhaps XC on his part would have been better. If that is your read, then that might be only hand type left, where it is possible you can get him to fold. Just think there are many other hand types out there, where you dont want to be betting.

It is an interesting hand, and it has made me wonder, whether I would be going for thin value with a straight or a set here, or try not to have a betting range here at all.
eq.fest 12 years, 2 months ago
Villains range on the turn is going to be weighted towards overpairs. Im thinking that having villain fold the bulk of his range on the turn, where situationally he is going to be making a mistake folding the best hand a fair amount of the time, is going to be a good thing for us. With that being said though, when we take a free card with our hand in particular, we allow villains range to improve to a second best hand a fair portion of the time. Im not sure which one of these ideas outweighs the other though.
Jean-Christophe St-Pierre 12 years, 2 months ago
Hi,
first of all congratulations for your ATs.
I like how you played it, but it seems you forgot why in the process.
I think the best play is to check, especially if he is opening that wild, this card is not only good for him, but bad for us. With your small raise on the flop, the sizings are going to be bad for a b/c on the turn, and we don't really want to b/f as we picked up a str8 draw.

Also, i'm affraid he might c/r us with air, since you have built some history with him and he might be on tilt.
eq.fest 12 years, 2 months ago
"....if he is opening that wild, this card is not only good for him, but bad for us." From a hand-vs-range perspective this is kinda true, but from villains point of view vs our range this is not the case. The interesting part of this discussion is not so much the play our particular hand, but rather our strategy on the turn with all the hands we raised the flop with.
Bill 12 years, 2 months ago
^^ Basically what eq.fest said: I'm curious as to what villain assess' your range to be with pre flat & flop raise. I think it's incredibly tough for him to continue if you bet the turn, which is why I'm likely betting here because I like putting as much pressure on others as possible. For instance, you're both like ~100bb deep still on the turn, which makes his decision even harder. If you bet 2/3 pot on the turn and he calls, you're set up for a pot bet on the river AI. You still have a bunch of equity vs. KK-TT.

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