5/10 NLHE live folding near top of my range

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5/10 NLHE live folding near top of my range

9 handed 5/10 action at foxwoods ct
hero (utg) opens to 40 with 8c7c sitting on 2.5k (been playing v aggressive just got moved to table 10 min ago image is LAG)
2 callers in mp co calls and bb completes 5 way to flop
(210) flop 8d 8h 9s
I bet 125
first caller folds second calls middle aged asian man thinks for 15 secs and makes it 425 he has 2.5k to start the hand. I call. I think he could be overvalueing some hands I beat I think he could be raising to see where he's at but I think if i "click it back" and he jams i'm just always behind his range for getting it in. mp folds.
(1185) turn 6h I check. he bets 600 I call.
(2385) river 4s I check he jams 1400 I fold. I realize if I'm folding trips here I'm basically only calling him down with 99 A8 but is this allowed because he is just never ever bluffing here. As he raised the flop the first thing I thought of was this is such a great spot to bluffraise QT JT 77 etc but is an old asian doing that at live 5/10 ever if not I don't see how I'm ahead of his value range. Then again I did rasie from utg so how do I have an 8 and my line looks very passive. I'm lost here.

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Schu 12 years, 3 months ago
middle aged Asian man never bluffing?
I can see AM might have TT+ or J/9+(pre-flop, post flop that tightens up significantly)... if you run into 9/9 or A/8, that's just a cooler IMHO.

Without more information, I do get the feeling that AM is over valuing here... which makes me think over pair. So then, is four betting the 425 a bad thing post flop? I think if you do that you may leave some equity on the table for anything that can not call... when you do four bet and get shoved on, you pretty much know where you stand. I hate to say that it's a information bet because that is just terrible for $1000, but you do get information there and some fold equity.

Unfortunately, I am afraid I am calling off here OTR.
DirtyD 12 years, 3 months ago
If it was an old white guy, I'd say snap fold, but with the old Asian guys you never know. I don't think it's impossible for him to be bluffing here, although it's usually only the young guys who have the balls to follow through with a bet-bet-shove bluff line for stacks, old guys' bluff lines tend to be weirder and spazzier. Having said that it's just really hard for me to fold trips getting these pot odds. I don't know, try to soul read? I would probably call and feel dumb when he showed me a boat.
Sean Lefort 12 years, 3 months ago
This is a pretty tough spot indeed. Without any reads on villain I think you played pf/flop/turn well and the river is quite close. Keep in mind that yeah if we're folding this, we're folding something near the top of our range.. but our range also isn't very wide. (ie. it's *also* not that far from the bottom of our range) There's not much else other than {99/8X/maybe overpairs} in our range that gets to the river so for us to fold this is certainly not unreasonable and could possibly not even be that bad theoretically speaking. I'd probably cry-call and then act tilted and reload for 10k if he shows me the nuts. :D
Bill 12 years, 2 months ago
Based on your analysis of him being totally polarized if you get the money in on the flop, why did you choose the way you played it? I don't feel his river range is really all that changed from his flop range based on your description. With that said, why call the turn $600 (looks value-y) and then fold out the river when the only hand that got there is T7? Is there literally any chance he does this with JT? FWIW I play there quite often so maybe if you have a specific player I could help, but I don't see a ton of JT shoves at FW in this type of scenario.

Def a tough spot but I feel it could have been avoided with much less guesswork.

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