5/10 Deep, balancing our check calling range?

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5/10 Deep, balancing our check calling range?

HJ: $1100
CO: $1616.83
BN: $3436.23
SB: $2414 (Hero)
BB: $1917.02
UTG: $1018
Preflop ($15.00) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt A A
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $20, Hero raises to $90, BB folds, BN calls $70
Flop ($195.00) K 3 J (2 Players)
Hero checks
Hi guys, so villain has been raising the flop lots in 3bet pots IP. I think he is the type of player that would raise more his 66 rather than his 78hh; would raise more his T9dd and call his QT, etc. And he´s of course raising his monsters (KJ+). So when facing a raise I am either against a very weak range in general (if not air) or the nuts.

Just a reminder, this is 250bbs+ poker and when facing a raise from him with our hand, I think there will be 2 main scenarios:

A) I flat and he will see 5 cards most of the time. He will have the betting lead having paid good/excellent price for whatever equity he has. I also will be forced to decide for 200bbs+ on turn/river with potentially not awesome runouts.

B) I 3bet and he will either peel/shove his nuts and stronger draws and fold his air.

I´m interested to know what do you guys think of:

1) having a check calling range in 3bet pots (deepstacked) as strong as AA here.

2) going for 2 streets of value instead of 3. (or bluff 2 streets instead of 3)

Sadly these 2 points above could be somewhat exploitable vs good opponents, but I think we could still do different things on turn+river that could make up for it. i.e. overbetting turn/river

My idea when checking the flop is basically having a range that could very well include some strong hands (AA+) some medium strenght hands (i.e. K6s, Jx) and some weaker hands that are always bet folding this flop (i.e. 55) along with some air that will delayed c-bet on turn.

Peace.

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ommpoker 12 years, 3 months ago
Also with not too much history, I think I would be more willing to put a 3bet with something like AQhh rather than AA here. When we get called/raised we still have decent equity vs his monsters and sometimes we will have him crushed.
Patrick Leonard 12 years, 3 months ago
I think you should not worry too much about getting raised. By playing scared you are missing lots of value. Although there is obv nothing wrong with check/calling twice, the reasons for why you do it (I don't want to get raised!) seem very doubtful. Going for 2 streets of value instead of 3 seems bad, I think you miss a lot of value for sure. So yeah, normally I would bet/bet/bet, but nothing wrong with taking a c/c line.
ommpoker 12 years, 3 months ago
Im glad you brought this up. Perhaps you misinterpreted my point. Is not checking to avoid getting raised but checking because he's raising range is either extremely weak that he might not follow up on turn/river or he is doing it with his nutted range. I think in general you are right about not going for 3 streets Is probably bad, but also that's why I was suggesting lines like cc flop , and bombing turn/river when he checks backs flop. Also if he is the type of player (which i think he is) that is just not gonna sit and give up with his 68s type hands, this could be optimal.
Graffa 12 years, 3 months ago
Hi.
First of all, you should make sure he really has a high enough flop raising percantage. Sometimes it feels a lot, but its just 10%.
If that is the case I think there is nothing wrong with a c/c range on this kind of flop, since you are probably giving up a lot here too. (small connectors, maybe 44-99? etc.) By c/c you make him vbet worse and give him the chance to bluff 3 times, and you have an easy calldown.
Imo this can only be applied, if you are sure he:
a) raises flops a lot
b) will be punding 3x on the pot, with total air, as soon as your perceived range looks like a herocalling 99-like hand.

If he checks behind you can still easily bet twice, with value + air, vs. his rather weak SD-value weighted range.

Cheers.

(obv. all this mainly applies to 250bb+. imo 100bb: bet/getin)
DirtyD 12 years, 3 months ago
If he raises the flop a ton with air, shouldn't we be excited about bet-calling? You could even say we should bet to induce a raise. If his flop raising range is the nuts and low-equity bluffs, and he raises often enough that it's forcing you to reevaluate your game plan, it seems like his raising range is going to be extremely weighted towards low-equity bluffs. There are just so many more combos of those than nuts.
ommpoker 12 years, 3 months ago
In general I think his flop raising range will be weak yes, when we call/raise, is just going to be very hard for him to continue without risking tons of $$ with his low-equity hands (not wise), when we check to him he could be betting air for a cheaper price (or just a worse hand than AA), but most importantly maximizing his fold equity when he goes bet bet bet.

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